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MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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I don’t understand what’s motivating certain types of people to continue working on these types of AI practical implementation projects. There’s nothing good for the world this (type of AI in particular) will offer. Maybe someone will say this will let people who aren’t musicians express themselves by creating music. That’s not true. It’s as true as hiring a musician to make a song for you, given a description. And n…

"we need to publish/produce to survive, and look at all this data music represents"

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

#232
post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

the simple answer is that your motivations for being an artist need to change to be exclusively personal fulfillment. because that was true for the pre-AI world, as you essentially described, and its true-er for this current-AI world. the real meme is about how artists have always been grasping for financial respect in every market condition ever, and yet nothing has changed. people were never going to commission you…

> the simple answer is that your motivations for being an artist need to change to be exclusively personal fulfillment. because that was true for the pre-AI world, as you essentially described, and its true-er for this current-AI world.

> the real meme is about how artists have always been grasping for financial respect in every market condition ever, and yet nothing has changed. people were never going to commission you, they were never going to book you. While they do appreciate the content. But for the few that would ever actually try to commission something, they encountered friction after friction after friction and collectively artists have been disinterested in solving. Because they're starving and preoccupied with fighting for scraps and modicums of respect at all.

For anyone trying to make money off of music, they should have already been aware that most of the effort in making a living is the non-music work. Once your music reaches an acceptable level of quality it's more about finding and managing your fanbase, industry connections, getting booked at the right shows, promotion and marketing, maintaining professionalism, etc. than anything else. Which this particular AI doesn't help with.

An extreme example is Fred Again, who came out of nowhere and is now one of the biggest names in electronic music. His music isn't bad, but it's nothing revolutionary. As it turns out, though, he grew up in one of the richest neighborhoods in England, with Brian Eno as a neighbor, and went to the most expensive private school in London.

So no, AI music generation doesn't change anything here. It's similar to the startup mistake technical people make of focusing on picking the right tech stack instead of focusing on sales and finding product-market fit. The software/music is only about 10% of the challenge of making a successful business/career.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not just you; pop music compositions with key changes that add complexity have all but vanished since the early 00s: https://flowingdata.com/2022/11/22/decline-of-key-changes-in... Automation tools and fine grained computed metrics have rounded off the edges of emotional experiences. See Bobby Kotick about taking the fun out of games: https://www.escapistmagazine.com/bobby-kotick-wants-to-take-... Him saying tha…

I disagree that key changes in popular music are a great measure of complexity. For many years a key change near the end of the song was an easy way to give the sense of a climax. The article your link is based on gives a good summary of it: > The act of shifting a song’s key up either a half step or a whole step (i.e. one or two notes on the keyboard) near the end of the song, was the most popular key change for dec…

I never said they were a great measure. Another tool in the toolkit. Or it was anyway.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

It s also a matter of ease of use. this is faster than searching or asking anyone online

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

I think the promise that has already been demonstrated with language is that you can iterate really quickly. “Make it a bit more upbeat, ok try more synthwave, ok scratch that try darker electro, ok this is better make the bassline more pronounced? Great that’s what I was imagining”

I don’t think it’s going to displace a dedicated composer that gets the medium they are scoring for any time soon. But then that’s not what your comp was initially.

TLDR there are cases where “good enough” is going to be provided by generative music in the medium term. Unlikely for this to be anywhere adjacent to music connoisseurs.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

#237
post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

It's not that there isn't enough electronic music being made, it's that every new track that lands on soundcloud is a drop in the ocean of mediocrity. There is _too_ much, and 99.9% is just boring to listen to, because it sounds like everything else. I listen to a LOT of electronic music (and have, since the mid 90's) and just don't have the patience anymore to sit through hours of average material to find one or two…

It was not super discerning listeners (like it sounds like you are) that I meant to address in that second question. Sorry if that was not clear. Rather it had sounded from some of the comments that people were desperate for original tunes (and maybe not necessarily the most highly produced). But I didn't point to a specific comment, so maybe that's my fault.

We may also disagree on how much good stuff there is coming out, but I agree there is a lot of noise.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

#238
post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huberman cited a study proving the effect. Sorry, no link at hand.

There's a real effect, just nothing even remotely close to the actual fantastical claims being made about it. It's highly doubtful there's some sort of profound way to induce arbitrary brain states through audio input alone. I remember vividly that this was very hyped in some circles around 2005 or thereabout, with wild claims that listening to some strange white noise for twenty minutes could induce full-blown psych…

I was thinking of a scenario of mapping our brain activity, like reading functions of some module, or a birthday party, or a business meeting. From then on, we put the machine to generate songs and activate roughly the same brain region of the actual life experience. We do that once, and generate 10 songs.

The next time that life experience takes place, we listen five or ten minutes to the relevant songs before it happens. We do that to put ourselves in the mood, as a mental preparation tool.

That's all. Not creating worldwide Britney Spears hits, or alter our consciousness. Just a mental tool.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

#239
post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

My first reaction to this wasn't "cool I can make the novel music I desperately crave", more along the lines of "this thing is making some wacky sounds that I'd love to see a producer craft into something more". Because I definitely agree with you that there's an abundance of fantastic music to check out, and realistically I'll never be able to check out even half of it throughout my lifetime. The guys in Infected Mu…

Honestly what I'm most excited about is how this technology can be used, not to arrange parts or even loops but rather in new plugins (VSTs) that implement novel approaches to digital synthesis. Think of all the awesome sounds.

If anyone knows anyone working on that, ping me. :)

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

Personally I think you underestimate access, I've on several occasions while developing small games wanted to collaborate with someone who has a musical bent to put something together.

The problem I feel is that I have an expectation of being able to front the cost of engaging someone to work on a project with me.

Working out navigating a working relationship on a smaller project seems fraught with issues.

I'm rarely inclined to spend dozens of hours listening to soundcloud when I have other things to work on.

I mean yes people create interesting music, perhaps it's a search problem? Knowing someone creates the kinds of music I'm interested in would help. But as someone making things, I'm trying to find someone who I can collaborate with who has an overlapping interest in what I make. Solving for that is not straightforward.

I've had much more luck with graphical art than music.

So yes, even though these systems are fundamentally worse, I can at least "collaborate" with them on producing something. Going from zero to one can be enough.

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