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Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by yieldcrv »

AxEy wrote: post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

the simple answer is that your motivations for being an artist need to change to be exclusively personal fulfillment. because that was true for the pre-AI world, as you essentially described, and its true-er for this current-AI world.

the real meme is about how artists have always been grasping for financial respect in every market condition ever, and yet nothing has changed. people were never going to commission you, they were never going to book you. While they do appreciate the content. But for the few that would ever actually try to commission something, they encountered friction after friction after friction and collectively artists have been disinterested in solving. Because they're starving and preoccupied with fighting for scraps and modicums of respect at all.

The world’s has now solved many of these frictions.

The frictions were:

1 hoping they found the right artist to begin with

2 hoping that artist is reliable and has any work ethic or structure in their life

3 not bruising that artists ego in however communication style is preferred

4 dealing with how completely segregated many artists are from contract negotiations and any aspect of the business world, but needing to secure rights properly

5 ego in securing rights properly without the artist overplaying their hand

6 waiting for the commission

7 revisions

8 circle back to 1

9 if you ever get past part 8, you have the issue of whether your new license can be used in an unforeseen way and medium in the future

getting burned in altruistic commissions of living artists is simply over now. all these frictions are solved with the free and immediate way.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

scns wrote: post #199
mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have tried this, they're called binaural beats, and they don't seem to work for the most part. I mean, not in the sense that you could engineer sound to invoke very specific effects in the brain consistently.

Huberman cited a study proving the effect. Sorry, no link at hand.

There's a real effect, just nothing even remotely close to the actual fantastical claims being made about it. It's highly doubtful there's some sort of profound way to induce arbitrary brain states through audio input alone.

I remember vividly that this was very hyped in some circles around 2005 or thereabout, with wild claims that listening to some strange white noise for twenty minutes could induce full-blown psychedelic trips even in people with no psychedelic experience. I even tried a bunch of em, and the only clear effect was a mild headache. And I was naïve enough to think it might work back then, and yet there wasn't even really a placebo effect.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by AxEy »

yieldcrv wrote: post #211
AxEy wrote: post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

the simple answer is that your motivations for being an artist need to change to be exclusively personal fulfillment. because that was true for the pre-AI world, as you essentially described, and its true-er for this current-AI world. the real meme is about how artists have always been grasping for financial respect in every market condition ever, and yet nothing has changed. people were never going to commission you…

>the simple answer is that your motivations for being an artist need to change to be exclusively personal fulfillment.

Mine are and the same goes for most of the artist I indicate. The point wasn't that they were in it for the money, although many dream of being able to at least one day pay the rent with it (or maybe just groceries).

The rest of your response makes sense (although I think much of it could be said for all of hiring someone to do work). Anyway, thank you for providing your perspective.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by jerpint »

boredemployee wrote: post #196
waboremo wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that creating music has had a huge technical barrier is laughable. It has not existed for ~20 years. Artists like Tinashe have learned to produce music themselves with programs like ableton, not a lick of mastering instruments or graduating from this and that art school. Just a general sense of what sounds good to you. Unlike visual art, there's no mechanical barrier either, no mastering of techniques. You c…

>> After all, "why learn how that music program works when I can just generate it?" That's how many of my friends in the music biz are thinking right now. Also the same applies to Code and anything that could be generated by AI. I honestly lost the joy of learning a programming language with the advent of GPT. The future is dark.

For me GPT allows me to explore more ideas quickly, and can help you learn languages more efficiently. More importantly, you don’t have to use it

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by etrautmann »

AxEy wrote: post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

Another framing of this is not based on demand. Presumably most creativity and art creation isn’t to fulfill a need or demand from anyone other than the producer. This could allow the creator and even users to feel some sense of originality and creativity.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by thorum »

AxEy wrote: post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

“Melody conditioning” as shown in the article seems both immediately useful and something that’s harder to find a human to do for you at the same level of quality.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by AxEy »

etrautmann wrote: post #215
AxEy wrote: post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

Another framing of this is not based on demand. Presumably most creativity and art creation isn’t to fulfill a need or demand from anyone other than the producer. This could allow the creator and even users to feel some sense of originality and creativity.

I get that. It was not those purposes that I wanted to question, but rather just the one near the top of my question, namely demand.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by speedgoose »

I installed it and everything went surprisingly fine and easily. It used about 8GB or VRAM max on a nvidia A30 and takes about 30s to generate 10s of audio. The max duration seems to be 30s in the frontend but the quality is a lot lower.

Mixing genres do not really work and the model doesn’t seem to be trained on band names. However it does perform well to create music using existing styles.

I generated some Eurovision crap and minimalist techno that were very much believable. But mixing death metal with lofi ambient isn’t the best, nor the epic progressive rock guitar solo I asked.

I think the examples on the website are cherry picked but with some experience in prompt engineering and many tentatives, it should be possible to generate great samples.

It’s also excellent at generating boards of Canada like music. The audio artéfacts, the low fidelity, the weird sounds, the detuned synths, this model does that very well and it does sound great to me.

Thanks a lot to the authors.

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by redox99 »

AxEy wrote: post #205

(This is not meant to be an anti-ai-generated-art rant. It's coming whether we like it or not. But some of the motives in this thread confuse me.) Music producer here with an honest question to those saying "this will provide me with a simple soundtrack/background music for $PROJECT" Have any of you checked out / made offers on music production subreddits? Or other music subreddits? various music production discords?…

> I'm willing to admit that I'm missing something here, but I'd love it if someone could enlighten me.

It's basically the same as with Midjourney. Before Midjourney I'd have to spend quite some time organizing with some human, explaining what I want, licensing terms, etc only to have to wait a significant amount of time for an image that I may not like.

With MidJourney for just a very small amount of money I can instantly get images that are exactly what I want, iterating extremely quickly. Just the fact that I don't have to deal with another human saves a massive amount of time.

TL;DR

1) Faster

2) Cheaper

3) Often closer to what you want, because you quickly iterate and can get hundreds of variations

Re: MusicGen: Simple and controllable music generation

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Post by LegitShady »

bottlepalm wrote: post #40

(and now for the rare take that isn't your typical cynical/jaded internet comment) Wow this is more than good enough to use for background music in video games, stores, commercials, etc.. You really could have super dynamic music in a video game for instance that changes based on the time of day, environment, situation, mood, etc.. all combined. Combine it with a LLM DJ and you could get some fun radio stations.

>Wow this is more than good enough to use for background music in video games, stores, commercials, etc..

Hard disagree, and lack of copyright due to not being produced by a human becomes an issue for many video games, commercials, etc.

>You really could have super dynamic music in a video game for instance that changes based on the time of day, environment, situation, mood, etc.. all combined.

You don't need this IA for that at all.

>Combine it with a LLM DJ and you could get some fun radio stations.

You could also not, and you wouldn't know until it failed to produce anything interesting. A whole radio station filled with grocery store background music? oh wow I can't wait for the fun.

and you're not likely to make any money doing it, so what's the point aside from showing the human portion of music is missing in everything you suggested.

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