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French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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Imagine an AI that instead finds potential infrastructure problems riddled across the country. Buildings, bridges, roads, you name it. Then the AI priorities them into a queue and generates cost/resource estimates for repairs. Thereby helping the government improve the livelihood of its constituents! Or wait, imagine if the AI were finding all the rivers and lakes that corporations are dumping trash, chemicals, and o…

Politician: Hmmm, we need to regulate AI asap

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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You misunderstand, this is 10M euro extra tax revenue each year and it was only a pilot project covering a small part of France. The payback time is basically less than a year.

Regardless 25 million of tax money to another consultancy is the problem. They are of one the biggest benificiaries of the modern western tax system. It's a complicated problem to solve, but not a 25 million kind of complicated problem. Also the bill isnt finished yet. 30% error rate, they are working on finetuning solving the issues.

ROI seems fine, I don't see the issue.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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I bet they are only flagging locations for physical inspection.

That doesn't sound like French government at all. Plus that'd be monumentally impractical for them (have you seen how big France is -and how inaccessible parts of it can be?). The reputation of the tax office is that the tiniest of inconveniences is more than enough to prevent them from doing something. Oh and there's the surprisingly little known fact that French citizens torched most of the cars and half of the gov…

> The reputation of the tax office is that the tiniest of inconveniences is more than enough to prevent them from doing something.

The reputation of the French tax office is that it is the sole branch of the administration which is actually run correctly. This is not far from the truth imho.

> Oh and there's the surprisingly little known fact that French citizens torched most of the cars and half of the government departments, including Police stations, in Paris (and Marseille, and Lille, and Toulouse, and ...) on a regular basis for 5 years now.

That’s a funny one. My advise is to stop watching Fox News and actually spend some time in France.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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It wasn’t so clear from the article, but I assume they’re using images from Google. Don’t France have water usage meters? Seems like the main reason for taxation is to save water, and taxing actual water use seems more reasonable.

France most probably have their own imaging as is the case with many countries; NOAA in the US, OS in GB etc.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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These are all things the state used to do without AI - people did it perfectly well. Regrettably it isn't a matter of technology that prevents this sort of thing. It is the hollowing out of the public sphere, the shrinking of state workforces, and the diminishing horizons of what is considered to be 'feasible' - where feasibility is often determined by consultants.

If it was done 'perfectly well' -- we wouldnt be in the position we are in WRT infra. Or taxes. Taxes are done exactly the opposite of 'perfectly well'.

We don't need AI to add to our to-do list, we need it to cross things off.

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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why do you think the rich pay a "disproportionately" large amount of taxes

https://www.heritage.org/taxes/commentary/1-chart-how-much-t... Rich is measured by income in the US because the federal gov can only tax income. Wealth taxes are thankfully unconstitutional.

do you consider the heritage foundation an unbiased source?

Re: French tax officials use AI to spot 20k undeclared pools (2022)

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A big part of the "AI" trend is - be affraid of a big general AI that will destroy humanity like ChatGPT - recognize pools in garden from sat images Actually, if the title was only "French Tax service find 20k hidden taxable swimming pools in France, netting €10M", nobody would care... and it would be fair!!! There is no "Intelligence" in this...

How were they hidden?

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