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A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Post by AntonCTO »

torginus wrote: post #181
benced wrote: post #97

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I never understood the complaints of complexity about AWS. You can easily just use EC2 and maybe S3 and ignore the other 100 icons. I think, in practice, what folks are complaining about is that AWS has the worst UI known to man. In which case, you can use GCP for their nice UI and still get the benefits of a hyperscaler. I don’t mean to say that the simpler services have no place in the market but it’s pretty narrow…

Also hyperscaling is a bit of a lie. You have a trillion invisible limits built into your account, you have to talk to support to raise, if you try starting up instances by the hundreds, you'll be throttled. There's zero transparency on what types of instances are available and how in-demand they are, meaning trying to scale up capacity 'on demand' is a fool's errand. Yes, I'm speaking from experience.

Even worse with Azure. They frequently freak out if you try to provision more than 1-2 instances per week. I have encountered this issue multiple times.

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Post by kkielhofner »

justrealist wrote: post #115
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I never understood the complaints of complexity about AWS. You can easily just use EC2 and maybe S3 and ignore the other 100 icons. I think, in practice, what folks are complaining about is that AWS has the worst UI known to man. In which case, you can use GCP for their nice UI and still get the benefits of a hyperscaler. I don’t mean to say that the simpler services have no place in the market but it’s pretty narrow…

I honestly would not trust a developer who finds AWS too confusing. At least 80% of the "complexity" on AWS is to keep you from introducing catastrophic security vulnerabilities. When a developer starts whining they can't figure out how to use an IAM role, it usually means they want to run their entire application as a root user whose SSH key they have sitting in Dropbox. Stay away from my software please.

You’re not describing a poor developer. You’re describing a poor AWS developer.

There are plenty of excellent, security conscience, etc developers who take a look at IAM or any of the other dozens of sticky AWS traps and run away screaming.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

torginus wrote: post #184
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #178

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We sorely need some disruption. I rent cloud VPSes at Hetzner that cost me $27/month for 10000 Geekbench. The most efficient in house option are small nettop computers with 13700H processors that get you 13000 geekbench for $500, 50 watts of power and less than 1 liter of real estate. That same computing power would cost me north of $1000/month at AWS or Azure, and about $300 at smaller cloud providers. Which means b…

I never understood the value proposition of Xeon, Epyc-s and other 'enterprise-grade' hardware, considering the strong push towards horizontal scaling, failover reliablity, microservices, etc. Are they more reliable, are they bigger? They are certainly are more pricey. I have ratty-ass computers running at home with weeks worth of uptime. More is not really needed, ironically my home stuff usually has much longer upt…

One thing is ECC. They don't want random errors in production. Another is number of threads. They can sell 112 "vcores" off one Xeon to 112 customers for web serving.

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Post by cultofmetatron »

GordonS wrote: post #160
cultofmetatron wrote: post #25

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also hetzner

Hetzner is great for servers and storage, but it's not a "proper cloud" like AWS/GCP/Azure/Oracle/IBM.

well yea, we are talking ikea cloud. cheap but serviceable (https://www.hetzner.com/cloud)

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Post by Aeolun »

electroly wrote: post #112
Aeolun wrote: post #105

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You mean they don’t want to keep filling out forms and wait for approval to be able to help someone that got hacked?

Are you kidding? If this happened in America we'd never hear the end of it from Europeans. Obviously, the government would love to just pilfer around in the computers of private citizens and businesses without "filling out forms", but that's not a good reason to give it to them.

Clearly the reverse is also true :)

They don’t get to ‘pilver around the computers of private citizens’ though. Only those citizens directly affected by an existing hack (I read it as being under control of the hacker).

If I had the choice between just a nefarious hacker, and both the nefarious hacker and the NL security services having access to my PC I’d choose the latter.

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Post by Aeolun »

carlosjobim wrote: post #200
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The big problem is IT in Europe just doesn’t pay very well. It beats a blue collar job, but anyone truly good has the option to emigrate for 2-3x more money.

The question is: Why won't the companies pay well? Good quality IT gives massive savings/profit, there should certainly be enough left over to pay the people who actually did the work. I think there is an attitude in Europe of workers not deserving high compensation, by the virtue of them dirtying themselves with work and not belonging to the owner class. If you lose talented employees, so be it, they simply don't de…

Yeah, I get this impression as well. Only way to have it better is to be one of the owners.

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Post by zekrioca »

carlosjobim wrote: post #186
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #165

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Your well being doesn't always depend on your diet and exercise. Viruses like Coivd or other bugs you can get from a simple surgical procedure like a root canal, preexisting and congenital conditions that hit you later in life, accidents, are a thing for many people despite balanced lifestyles.

Certainly. But if we compare how much Americans are happily paying for health insurance and Europeans are happily paying in taxes, with the cost and effort of a healthy life style, the healthy life style is much cheaper. And accessible all over the world. I'm kidding about the "happily" of course.

The US food is terrible, GMO everywhere with artificial, sugary taste that ‘deactivates’ the natural senses of your mouth, so everything needs sugar to taste “okay-ish”. It is more cognitively and economically expensive to be healthy in the US than in Europe.

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Post by t0mas88 »

brabel wrote: post #159
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A lot of european companies would. You’d be surprised how often saas clients told me to _never_ allow client data to get anywhere near a us company. People around europe are very privacy aware.

Yep, some banks already make it mandatory that you do not store whatever data you may have from them outside of Europe.

Not just banks, many large enterprises have such requirements. Keep all personal data inside the EU, it's just easier for them to mitigate risks that way.

But all three major clouds offer several European data centers so it's really not such a big deal.

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Post by _dain_ »

malermeister wrote: post #149
_dain_ wrote: post #86

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not even close. USA GDP: $26.8 trillion EU GDP: $17.1 trillion

Problem is, most of that US GDP is going to a few billionaires. There's a massive impoverished underclass in the US, who are not going to be able to drive much consumption. GDP is an incredibly reductive measure.

every country has an underclass. there is no rigorously defensible way to say that americans are poorer than europeans. none whatsoever.
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