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A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Post by zekrioca »

Aeolun wrote: post #103
carlosjobim wrote: post #57

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It should be embarrassing for Europeans that the only way they can compete with Americans in IT is by literally banning US products. I don't think that will work out very well for them in the long run. Europe is otherwise usually a fierce competitor in high tech, but when it comes to IT it seems they didn't really got going strong. Just out of sheer patriotism, European companies could snatch back a lot of customers…

The big problem is IT in Europe just doesn’t pay very well. It beats a blue collar job, but anyone truly good has the option to emigrate for 2-3x more money.

And 10x for healthcare elsewhere.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Post by electroly »

Aeolun wrote: post #105
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #94

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they did and still do https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36229557

You mean they don’t want to keep filling out forms and wait for approval to be able to help someone that got hacked?

Are you kidding? If this happened in America we'd never hear the end of it from Europeans.

Obviously, the government would love to just pilfer around in the computers of private citizens and businesses without "filling out forms", but that's not a good reason to give it to them.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Post by osigurdson »

>> Amazon, Google and Microsoft are really good, but US authorities have the right to see the data stored on non-American citizens

That doesn't sound right. If the data center is located outside of the US, there should be absolutely no reason why US authorities could have access. In fact, US authorities should not even have access to the data within the US. Sure you might catch the odd bad guy but government creeps eroding everyone's trust is not a worthwhile tradeoff.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Post by justrealist »

benced wrote: post #97
iLoveOncall wrote: post #85

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It's not at all a selling point. You can do the same on AWS, get an EC2 and install everything there, that's it. The thing is that when you will need to leverage the other services of AWS, they will be there, while you will need to migrate if you're on one of those server providers.

I never understood the complaints of complexity about AWS. You can easily just use EC2 and maybe S3 and ignore the other 100 icons. I think, in practice, what folks are complaining about is that AWS has the worst UI known to man. In which case, you can use GCP for their nice UI and still get the benefits of a hyperscaler. I don’t mean to say that the simpler services have no place in the market but it’s pretty narrow…

I honestly would not trust a developer who finds AWS too confusing. At least 80% of the "complexity" on AWS is to keep you from introducing catastrophic security vulnerabilities.

When a developer starts whining they can't figure out how to use an IAM role, it usually means they want to run their entire application as a root user whose SSH key they have sitting in Dropbox.

Stay away from my software please.

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Post by [deleted] »

osigurdson wrote: post #114

>> Amazon, Google and Microsoft are really good, but US authorities have the right to see the data stored on non-American citizens That doesn't sound right. If the data center is located outside of the US, there should be absolutely no reason why US authorities could have access. In fact, US authorities should not even have access to the data within the US. Sure you might catch the odd bad guy but government creeps e…

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Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Post by carlosjobim »

zekrioca wrote: post #111
Aeolun wrote: post #103

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The big problem is IT in Europe just doesn’t pay very well. It beats a blue collar job, but anyone truly good has the option to emigrate for 2-3x more money.

And 10x for healthcare elsewhere.

Health care costs shouldn't be of too much concern for young professionals (those more likely to move). Eating well and exercise should come first, because even if healthcare is free or cheap - who wants to be sick in the first place?

Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Post by [deleted] »

dontupvoteme wrote: post #90
xyzzyz wrote: post #82

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> The Europeans did it by requiring companies to abide by their new law or pay out fines(basically a quasitax) This works only because EU is a relatively big and wealthy economy. If, say, Chile or Botswana tried to do the same, US companies would be like “lol, bye”. If, or when the Europe becomes just as poor as these relative to US, the incentive for US companies to stay in Europe and pay these ridiculous fines, wil…

>stay poor Have californians started thinking of Europe as poor?

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Re: A Swedish startup’s bid to build a green rival to AWS

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Post by smartinartin »

justrealist wrote: post #115
benced wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood the complaints of complexity about AWS. You can easily just use EC2 and maybe S3 and ignore the other 100 icons. I think, in practice, what folks are complaining about is that AWS has the worst UI known to man. In which case, you can use GCP for their nice UI and still get the benefits of a hyperscaler. I don’t mean to say that the simpler services have no place in the market but it’s pretty narrow…

I honestly would not trust a developer who finds AWS too confusing. At least 80% of the "complexity" on AWS is to keep you from introducing catastrophic security vulnerabilities. When a developer starts whining they can't figure out how to use an IAM role, it usually means they want to run their entire application as a root user whose SSH key they have sitting in Dropbox. Stay away from my software please.

As someone who spent five years as a consultant for two AWS pro partners, I agree with this anecdote. Day one of any gig when I started building with my clients was training on IAM and resource policies.
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