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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind pf psyop. In this case, I agree. I usually try to avoid conspiratorial thinking and conspiracy theories, but the DoD and related agencies have been putting out all kinds of information about UFOs in the past few years. My question is: why? The DoD isn’t known for their public relations. My best speculative guess is that they’re claiming they’ve found alien craft and exotic alien…

> There must be a reason behind the UFO media blitz

They already told us exactly why. Because there are unexplained phenomena which may pose a risk to national security, and they want to know more. Their intent is to reduce the stigma so that pilots and others are less afraid to report unusual sightings for proper investigation.

You don't have to believe in aliens to see the sense in this.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#992
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Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?

Or c) we live in a simulation, and simulation admins break the 4th wall sometimes to leave us gifts... from Jeanne D'Arc to UFOs

and Shazaam!

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#993

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Can you point out what's happening in the video? I don't see anything

The orb is seen whizzing past just after 8s in the video. It doesn't look much bigger than a basketball but the relative distance is hard to judge.

A balloon?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#994

I had an encounter with a UAP while I was with some friends in a park. We all saw the same thing. It was so black that its darkness was the only reason we noticed it against the night sky. It loomed over us, maybe 100 feet above the ground, and followed us when we walked away from it. It stayed for about 10 minutes and then flew away. It never made a sound, I never saw any lights, never felt any heat, but it was able…

It is very difficult to estimate the sizes of objects in the sky. I once saw an odd machine-like object in the sky of Shanghai, China in broad daylight. I thought, why is nobody concerned, or even looking? After awhile I saw it sway a bit and realized it was an anchored kite. I thought it was huge but it was just close. At night it lit up like this: https://youtu.be/O_UrmvcJ9T0

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Thanks for going against the HN grain and submitting a description of this experience. For a site with so many well-educated users I am disturbed by the volume of comments that suggest that things like this only happen in the US, or they have only happened since WWII, they are only reported by military pilots, or that this can't be real because FTL travel is not possible without considering that it isn't even necessa…

You’re welcome. FWIW, this is getting a lot more upvotes than I expected. Maybe it’s just that there is a lot of traffic on this thread. But it could be that a lot other people have had similar experiences and just don’t want to talk about it. I can certainly relate to that - there are some people in my life who I haven’t told simply because of what they might think. It’s easier to talk about with strangers or super…

I think you are close when you propose that other people who have had an experience like this are not willing to share because society stigmatizes them so that in the end, only those who knew them at the time or those who have become trusted friends ever hear the story.

This is certainly true for the people that I know. With the exception of the fellow student who felt compelled to tell his story, almost every one of the others that I know avoids talking about it and will even try to deflect conversation if there is anyone who hasn't already heard about it present.

One old friend still regularly communicates with me as I am one of the only people they trust to be non-judgemental since I knew them a long time before they had their experience. I get photos, short videos, descriptions of events, attempts to tie their experiences in with other reports, etc and so I dutifully check it all out to try to help them come to terms with what has become for them a lifelong process of dealing with an emotional trauma that ended up stigmatizing them back in the small town where we grew up. Long-term friendships are critical for helping people manage some of these experiences.

Events like this are relatively rare and so it is easy for someone who doesn't personally know or who has never personally had an unusual event happen to automatically default to the conclusion that the one reporting the event has some mental issue, is unreliable, etc. Another poster suggested that somehow the subjects of one thing I mentioned must have been confused by clouds. People look for the most likely explanations and tend to ignore the fact that many of these observers have more than enough experience to understand when they are seeing something remarkable. I can say that I know several people who have had strange things happen in their lives and that among that group there is not a single one who actively went out looking for that to happen. All were just ordinary people and some were still in grade school. I am open-minded about what has happened to these people and in some cases I saw the immediate changes in their personality and demeanor. Something different happened to them. I am not qualified to say what it was but I know it was not something that anyone would consider normal. I'm just trying to be a friend to them - a sounding board when they find themselves thinking about it again.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#996
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I am calling it as 90% probability non true based one of the two techniques you can use to validate these type of claims. My claim uses Method B Method A: Extensive analysis if this is a first account of facts or hearsay (here is the latest anyway). Extensive analysis of evidence, specially with metadata correlation between evidence arriving from different sources and timelines. Method B: Analysis of instinctive and…

Body language showing lying is debunked and bullshit

Body language cannot be used as evidence in a court of law, but you bet your ass detectives use it effectively as cues all the time during investigations.

It’s not debunked, it’s just has to be used as a piece of the puzzle not the whole thing.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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What year? Fits the military drone narrative.

This would’ve been around 2010-ish. I could maybe buy that it was a stealthy military drone, although I kind of doubt any drone is that big or stealthy. But then, why would a military drone be interested in some random young adults hanging out in the park? I considered that it might’ve been testing the limits of its stealthiness. But then why did it hang around after we started talking about it, pointing at it, and t…

Definitely crazy any way you look at it; something was observing you, whether man or otherwise.

I personally could buy the "autonomous alien probe sent 10,000 years ago" narrative, but just seems like we'd have more concrete, widely distributed evidence by now.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#998

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Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?

Extend that too: a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is able to visit in a manner that doesn't create a second sun in the sky Seriously people underestimate the ludicrous energies involved in near-c travel. Even with engines off at those speeds the interstellar dust undergoing nuclear fusion off your hull will give you away

Why near c travel is assumed?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I used to be greatly tempted by the fermi paradox, but upon learning about limitations we have observing the skies.... I believe the entire fermi paradox talk, is just steeming from the fact that we think too highly of ourselves as a civilisation and the efford we put into observing the skies. Most people, including myself until recently, don't realise that most of our astrophysics/space science is very limited to ou…

> Correct me if I am wrong but we are only able to do science around the other stars in the Milky way (e.g. exoplanet observations) Oh yeah and on top of that the way we detect planets around stars creates a extreme bias on dwarf stars since a positive detection needs a few transits before confirmation of a planet can be made. And since dwarf planets transit within days/weeks sun like stars take around a year so it w…

I thought on this for a few days. The nature of scientific process, forces us to maintain absolute emphasis on our observation, to an extent which we are willfully ignoring the limitations and scope of our observations.

I wonder who is to blame, is this the current state of scientific studies? or they are actually considering these limitations in the papers, but it is ignored by public? then, is it the science communication to the public that's failing?

I feel shy even bringing up such topics among friends, because it is so far out of the common understanding that it will sound like flat-earth conspiracy to most.

People don't like to hear anything that goes like "we don't know some things at all". There is a comfort in knowing somewhere, some scientist are %100 accurate and know it all.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

#1000

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

I would think the "wealthy elites" would be dying to get their hands on the tech so they can turn it into a product that generates even more wealth. Market forces are stronger than government forces.

Just like JP Morgan did with Tesla.
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