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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by stevenhuang »

WalterBright wrote: post #965
stevenhuang wrote: post #930

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Been a big fan of your work but I think your take is wrong on this one, Walter. Saving this for later to say I told you so :).

I've been hearing "this time it's for real" my whole life. They never pan out.

There's a breaking news blast on at the moment with the uap whistleblower. Thoughts on the following? If anything, whatever that's happening this time really does feel different.

https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/144a9xz/abcnews_house...

https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/143tj5x/us_has_12_or_...

https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/143zpak/interview_w...

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/143v66e/las_vegas_fam...

https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/143xcjp/excerpts_from...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thekevan »

throwanem wrote: post #118
thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

> this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories I love the optimism in assuming that being a crackpot and having a career in intelligence are incompatible!

The part that you quoted was me summarizing what I thought they were saying and kind of asking if that was what they were saying. I've never met the guy. And by the way, yes, I do think crackpottery is an equal opportunity condition.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thekevan »

fsflover wrote: post #829
nprateem wrote: post #678

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This arrogance underpins so many comments on here. We don't know whether some breakthrough is possible that makes interstellar travel viable using hitherto unknown physics.

Did you know that Dark Energy is >50% of the whole Big Bang energy? And we have no idea what it is.

If dark matter and dark energy are real. While it is generally accepted that they are, dark matter's existence isn't a a closed case yet. Look into the MOND theory.

I personally don't have the education to state a theory with confidence, but I like the idea the physicists saw galaxies rotating in a way which seemed to break the rules of physics they knew and so they said, "our rules can't be wrong, there must be something there we can't see or measure or prove what it is." When it is possible (emphasis on possible) that maybe the laws of physics as related to motion and acceleration are different at scales that include multiple galaxies. Maybe they are rotating at the precise rate they are supposed to and there are undiscovered laws of physics at great scale. They are different rules at the quantum level and we haven't found quantum gravity yet. Is it possible the rules of gravity could be not as concrete at the largest levels of existence? Einstein said large masses bend space and time and we see that as gravity. Could the unexpected rotation of galaxies that is now explained as proving dark matter exists actually be caused by galaxy sized massed bending space and time at a different proportion. I dunno, but wouldn't it be fun if the explanation was so revolutionary and simple?

Disclaimer because this is the internet: I have no clue is this theory could be real, and it is mostly based on other theories by actual, real physicists--which I am not.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thekevan »

nprateem wrote: post #678
sibeliuss wrote: post #168

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> but as I attempt to learn more and more about physics, travel approaching the speed of light, the mechanics that transformed us from a basic life form to a life form with a consciousness, it just seem incredibly unlikely sadly As if humanity's knowledge circa 2023 is the end-all of things!

This arrogance underpins so many comments on here. We don't know whether some breakthrough is possible that makes interstellar travel viable using hitherto unknown physics.

Can you explain what seems arrogant?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thekevan »

DrBazza wrote: post #798
hermitcrab wrote: post #164

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Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?

Occam's razor. Even at non-relativistic speeds self replicating robots could have visited every star system in the galaxy within a few tens of millions of years. We haven't seen any evidence. Everyone has the most advanced cameras in history in their phones and there's exactly zero indisputable pictures of UFOs, ghosts, fairies, chupacabras, Nessie, Bigfoots, Yetis, and so on. If aliens can travel even a light year,…

>Everyone has the most advanced cameras in history in their phones and there's exactly zero indisputable pictures of UFOs, ghosts, fairies, chupacabras, Nessie, Bigfoots, Yetis, and so on.

This is key in why I was much more optimistic of finding any of those paranormal items than I was 10 years ago. I hope I'm wrong.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thekevan »

jay_kyburz wrote: post #420
hermitcrab wrote: post #224

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I assume that interstellar travel is really difficult for any civilization. That assumption is based on my knowledge of physics (relativity in particular).

Why is it difficult? You just point and shoot. Will take a long time but you will get there in the end.

I thought that way 3 or 4 years ago. PBS Spacetime has quite a few great videos about that. (Videos by actual physicists and astrologers.)

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thekevan »

oldstrangers wrote: post #176
thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

"the mechanics that transformed us from a basic life form to a life form with a consciousness" If those mechanics are known I'd love to hear them.

That's me you quoted and I'd love to hear them, too. That is part of the point.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by sholladay »

drumttocs8 wrote: post #973
sholladay wrote: post #612

I had an encounter with a UAP while I was with some friends in a park. We all saw the same thing. It was so black that its darkness was the only reason we noticed it against the night sky. It loomed over us, maybe 100 feet above the ground, and followed us when we walked away from it. It stayed for about 10 minutes and then flew away. It never made a sound, I never saw any lights, never felt any heat, but it was able…

What year? Fits the military drone narrative.

This would’ve been around 2010-ish. I could maybe buy that it was a stealthy military drone, although I kind of doubt any drone is that big or stealthy. But then, why would a military drone be interested in some random young adults hanging out in the park? I considered that it might’ve been testing the limits of its stealthiness. But then why did it hang around after we started talking about it, pointing at it, and trying to record it? No, it felt a lot more like we were being studied. Especially in the way it followed us. Slowly, smoothly, and with a little distance.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by sholladay »

nk83 wrote: post #974
sholladay wrote: post #612

I had an encounter with a UAP while I was with some friends in a park. We all saw the same thing. It was so black that its darkness was the only reason we noticed it against the night sky. It loomed over us, maybe 100 feet above the ground, and followed us when we walked away from it. It stayed for about 10 minutes and then flew away. It never made a sound, I never saw any lights, never felt any heat, but it was able…

I created an account just to chime in . Had the same experience happen to me around 30 years ago in a rural area. I think the only reason I was able to distinguish the round shape against the night sky was because there was almost no light pollution. In my case it was a small group of them flying in a v shape Formation just passing by.

Thanks for chiming in. It is oddly comforting to hear that others have had similar experiences. When it was happening, the first words out of my mouth were “You guys see that, right? I’m not hallucinating?” It was so obviously not normal. I rubbed my eyes, questioning whether it was me or not and it was a relief when they saw it too.

The size of the one I saw was large and it was already extraordinary and alarming. A formation would be astounding.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by sholladay »

doodlebugging wrote: post #929
sholladay wrote: post #612

I had an encounter with a UAP while I was with some friends in a park. We all saw the same thing. It was so black that its darkness was the only reason we noticed it against the night sky. It loomed over us, maybe 100 feet above the ground, and followed us when we walked away from it. It stayed for about 10 minutes and then flew away. It never made a sound, I never saw any lights, never felt any heat, but it was able…

Thanks for going against the HN grain and submitting a description of this experience. For a site with so many well-educated users I am disturbed by the volume of comments that suggest that things like this only happen in the US, or they have only happened since WWII, they are only reported by military pilots, or that this can't be real because FTL travel is not possible without considering that it isn't even necessa…

You’re welcome. FWIW, this is getting a lot more upvotes than I expected. Maybe it’s just that there is a lot of traffic on this thread. But it could be that a lot other people have had similar experiences and just don’t want to talk about it. I can certainly relate to that - there are some people in my life who I haven’t told simply because of what they might think. It’s easier to talk about with strangers or super close friends.
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