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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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> Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previously he had experience serving Private Aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task Forces. A career like this won't protect you from belief or developing an me…

How dou you suppose your own competence to be sufficient to judge his claims "must be wrong" and on top of it attest this guy some "mental illness"?

There is zero public evidence across the entirety of science and human knowledge that suggests any of the claims are even possible. Everything we know about the universe and technology on earth says this isn’t possible. Either the government that isn’t even capable of keeping it spy secrets secret manages to keep this evidence secret along with every other nation on the planet, or someone is being dishonest or ill.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Which is more likely? a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is visiting us right now. or b) The people making these claims are wrong. While a) isn't impossible, b) seems so much more likely. Also if they have the technology to cross interstellar space, surely they have the technology not to be detected by us?

Can't there be a c) of "Who the hell knows, but there's a lot of evidence piling up." I'm with you in that I don't believe that an alien civilization that has overcome challenges of FTL, etc. would come to Earth to apparently joy-ride. There's something else that's causing trustworthy individuals to make these claims. At this point I just call it "magic" until a better word comes along. One theory is that these bogey…

Who said anything about a joyride?

The whistleblower clearly is implying that we are being spied on.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Extend that too: a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is able to visit in a manner that doesn't create a second sun in the sky Seriously people underestimate the ludicrous energies involved in near-c travel. Even with engines off at those speeds the interstellar dust undergoing nuclear fusion off your hull will give you away

Idk what’s so special about the speed of light/causality, in an alien universe it may not even be relevant. When talking about alien intelligence and technology literally everything is on the table.

There is only one universe

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Too coincidental for pilot fatigue/shadows AND instrument malfunction to always happen at the same time in all of these cases. There are hundreds of reported instances in the past few years. This is simply not a serious explanation.

Strongly disagree. The sheer number of flight hours performed by all the world's professional pilots multiplied by the average percentage of a flight that a pilot could be considered to be "fatigued", multiplied by the odds of a cosmetic/minor sensor blip occuring is still an astronomically large number. That confluence of events probably happens quite regularity. This can be acendotealy verified hanging out at any g…

I would encourage you to actually look into the sort of anomalous cases we're talking about here.

https://www.narcap.org/blog/narcaptr20

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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If an extraterrestrial intelligence has reached the level of ability needed to transport large masses over vast interstellar distances, they are not lazily buzzing F/A-18s off the coast of California. They're not coyly darting to and fro in a game with, almost exclusively American, pilots. They're not hiding themselves from humanity, for whatever reason. Their immense power would be like the Sun shining next to human…

We also often prefer not to disturb animals because they are interesting and we think they have value.

Of course there are motives that intefere with that; but you can't make a blanket assumption about an alien racing traveling vast distances through space to visit. Maybe they would just want to observe out of interest.

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I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Haha

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Sorry, how long is this supposed to take? You're saying we're going to be dominated by aliens and must be prepared for that? That's not how conquests normally work is it? There's no consent involved. And you're also saying this 'preparation' has been happening for 70 years? How long have we got before they actually arrive and how much prep do we need? This is all complete bollocks

There is no invasion as there are no aliens. It is psyop. A genre (“platform”) of psyop has been tried out over the years, and a developing thread (based on other propaganda channels, such as fiction, and film) is the coming ‘encounter’. Here “US is urged to reveal UFO evidence” is published by a major Western establishment press, The Guardian, based on 2nd hand information and not on actual personally witnessed evid…

"Conspiracy theories are ok when it's us discarding UFOs" :o)

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I had an encounter with a UAP while I was with some friends in a park. We all saw the same thing. It was so black that its darkness was the only reason we noticed it against the night sky. It loomed over us, maybe 100 feet above the ground, and followed us when we walked away from it. It stayed for about 10 minutes and then flew away. It never made a sound, I never saw any lights, never felt any heat, but it was able…

Thanks for going against the HN grain and submitting a description of this experience. For a site with so many well-educated users I am disturbed by the volume of comments that suggest that things like this only happen in the US, or they have only happened since WWII, they are only reported by military pilots, or that this can't be real because FTL travel is not possible without considering that it isn't even necessary nor has it ever been claimed in any account AFAIK. I first started reading about things like this decades ago (after Pascagoula) and over the years I have read a lot of reports filed with outfits like MUFON. I am open-minded about all this and willing to consider that some of it could be true. Personally I tend to believe older reports filed by people who had nothing to gain and everything to lose by making an extraordinary claim yet still chose to inform their peers about something that they saw or experienced because they needed to understand it themselves and if they told the story maybe someone somewhere could fill in the blanks for them.

Someone that I have known for decades told me a few years ago that they were part of a small group that had an experience with something similar to what you are describing. In their case the thing they all described blocked out the stars almost from horizon to horizon as it passed over. It was described as huge, black, and silent with a well-defined edge that one could follow across the sky as the stars in front were blocked and those behind reappeared. They said they didn't notice it until they realized all the normal night sounds had completely stopped as it approached and once it passed, the insects, birds and things resumed their chatter. They don't know what they saw but they do know they did see something unusual. These are college educated people enjoying life in a rural area.

While in college, I also taped a story that a fellow student told one day. I always taped the lectures and transcribed them after class to help remember things and on this particular day the subject somehow turned to UFOs. I would have to replay the tape to know how the segue happened but anyway, if I remember right the professor commented about UFOs not being real and this student interrupted and told his personal encounter story. From memory, he was out with friends riding ranch roads across the part of west Texas where he was raised when one of them pointed out a set of lights over a part of the ranch where there were no roads, buildings, etc. They all saw the lights and decided to investigate and so they followed ranch roads towards them and as they got closer it was apparent that the lights were part of something really unusual and large that was not on the ground but was in the sky. As they got closer it zipped straight up and away and was gone in a couple seconds. I still have the tape but no way to play it. I always recorded over the previous day's lecture after transcribing but for that one I decided I would keep it and start another tape. I know this person to be an ordinary person who got a great education in geoscience and took that into a career with a multinational company eventually as a VP. He was always a no bullshit person.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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https://qz.com/911990/the-cottingley-fairy-hoax-of-1917-is-a... 'nuff said

Been a big fan of your work but I think your take is wrong on this one, Walter.

Saving this for later to say I told you so :).

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