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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by lloeki »

dayglo wrote: post #542
nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

A couple of years ago, I sat down with my friend for a game of chess. After a few minutes of chatting and playing, I realised that I had completely forgotten he wasn’t really there. I took my headset off and it was like he had just left the room. I think that being able to provide the feeling that someone you love is there with you (when they are far away) is why people use a lot of tech. It was a feeling that 2d Fac…

I had a similar feeling without VR: working from home + having friends far away meant I spent a lot of time on video chat du jour.

One day I set up the TV with a spare computer and webcam, and used that instead of phone, laptop, or even desktop.

The difference was huge, and exponentially so when the other party was doing the same.

With selfie webcams we got person-centric mugshots, with room webcams we connected places.

It was like having opened a portal to another place, we could move around each one's place very naturally, which only reinforced the connection between people. Just a little bit of care with placement and angle went a long way to drive the illusion. I remember that a couple of times we honest to god unconsciously tried to hand over objects through the screen.

Brains are so easy to trick. As it seems to be currently my cobbled up setup looks better than floating mugshots.

Also not addressed and never shown is how the VR user shows up to these FaceTime users. I mean the wearer doesn't have themselves captured by the device? And it can't take into account other people naturally walking into the room.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by williamcotton »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #515
_glass wrote: post #440

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I remember the argument against tablets, I was one of them, I thought because of the weird hand/arm position, this can never be a serious format. It was pushed through several iterations, and now it is accepted.

They didn't really live up to the hype, though. It was said that they would replace laptops. While they have their space in the market, sales are in a declining trend, and considerably behind laptops. (I was like you and still am, by the way... I don't find tablets comfortable. I only bought one once, and I think the number of times I actually used it can be counted with both hands).

Kids love tablets and parents on trips love that kids love tablets!

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by symic »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #515
_glass wrote: post #440

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I remember the argument against tablets, I was one of them, I thought because of the weird hand/arm position, this can never be a serious format. It was pushed through several iterations, and now it is accepted.

They didn't really live up to the hype, though. It was said that they would replace laptops. While they have their space in the market, sales are in a declining trend, and considerably behind laptops. (I was like you and still am, by the way... I don't find tablets comfortable. I only bought one once, and I think the number of times I actually used it can be counted with both hands).

The iPad did replace a category of laptops. At the time the iPad came out netbooks were popular and it was believed by many that Apple was in trouble because they didn’t have a netbook. Apple came out with the iPad and killed the netbook market.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by utsuro »

_glass wrote: post #440
darawk wrote: post #428

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> So far at least, this is a tech that is being pushed onto people rather than being pulled. I think it's very hard to tell the difference between these things ex ante. Everything that succeeds looks like it was pulled. But many things were pushed before they were pulled. Buying things on the internet, for instance. This was laughed at for quite a while, while a few people and companies were committed to the idea tha…

I remember the argument against tablets, I was one of them, I thought because of the weird hand/arm position, this can never be a serious format. It was pushed through several iterations, and now it is accepted.

For all intensive purposes tablets became normalized but are far from widely accepted or bought,

Part of the reason it’s only kids and old people often seen using them.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by mahkeiro »

kgwgk wrote: post #468
mahkeiro wrote: post #395

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Of course these devices existed but every time Apple raised the bar. MP3 players existed before Ipod but with limited storage. The first Ipod was really usable with its HDD. Smartphone were a thing but touch interface is what made the Iphone something unique. Let see if Apple is really bringing something new here, the jury is still out.

Famously, the original iPod had "less space than a Nomad".

The Nomad was the size of a CD player… The ipod was fitting in a pocket.

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Post by wslh »

wslh wrote: post #606
codeulike wrote: post #585

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The first time I tried an Oculus Quest was mindblowing, it was a very unique and impressive experience. I wont go on about it but I encourage you to do the Oculus Quest demo app if you get the chance. BUT then the excitement faded and I don't find myself wanting to return to VR much. Having something strapped to your face is awkward and tiring. Tech companies can see the potential because it _is_ breathtaking but are…

One important issue with Oculus is that doesn't have AAA apps to consume, so at the end you only bought a device. I assume Apple knows well the apps strategy and there would be apps that leverage de device as it happened when they launched multitouch displays (remember: they were the firsts).

Mark downvoting my comments ;-) non-happy owner of the Oculus Quest 2 and Meta Quest Pro. Have them for the business.

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Post by williamcotton »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #605
codeulike wrote: post #571

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It the late 90s a technology professional calmly explained to me that nobody would ever do their supermarket shopping online because they would not able to select fruit and vegetables by hand to look for the 'good' ones

And he was right. Still going to the market myself for the veggies.

What are you talking about? I see a large number of grocery store employees gather up wares for curbside or delivery every time I go to the supermarket. All of my area supermarkets have dedicated sections for these ways of shopping!

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by utsuro »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #515
_glass wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember the argument against tablets, I was one of them, I thought because of the weird hand/arm position, this can never be a serious format. It was pushed through several iterations, and now it is accepted.

They didn't really live up to the hype, though. It was said that they would replace laptops. While they have their space in the market, sales are in a declining trend, and considerably behind laptops. (I was like you and still am, by the way... I don't find tablets comfortable. I only bought one once, and I think the number of times I actually used it can be counted with both hands).

Can’t reply to OPs comment under this.

But no, iPads did not replace laptops for the majority of people. Phones maybe, but not so much tablets.

Again if unless you are very young or old, and/or your profession significantly benefits from a portable touch devices (artistry, home remodeling, etc.) it’s a niche.

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Post by pjmlp »

rocketbop wrote: post #629
pjmlp wrote: post #533

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They surely replaced laptops for artists, digital note taking, journalists, travelling and mobile terminals.

For some people, some of the time. Many journalists will have their MacBooks prized out of the cold dead hands. I travel with my laptop and my iPad Pro never leaves the couch. And how close to most working artists’ realities are those slick Apple keynotes showing sexy young people drawing with their Apple Pencil? I don’t know. Artist is a broad term.

Depends if we are talking about US journalists, and countries with similar income, or the rest of the world with more down to earth possibilities.

Yes, artists is a broad term, just like developer isn't a UNIX guy doing containers.

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