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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by vlovich123 »

That’s seems disingenuous considering the Quest Pro is literally competing for the same market segment and there were numerous tech investments made to build out the workplace vision. I think Apple came out with a much more compelling product in that space (although it may be fair that the quest pro had less investment and focus because they believe low cost headsets are the real priority).

The pricing won’t matter because if Apple sells a bunch it won’t matter how much the Quest costs because the developers will be prioritizing the Vision headset and its modalities which is the key thing that will matter. It’s like what happened with Android - they were about to release when Apple showcased multitouch at which point they scrapped their existing stuff and retooled to make Android multi touch because they knew that would become the dominant modality to make it easy for developers to write apps for both / make it easy for customers to compare and contrast. More importantly, Apple seems to be seeding with an existing massive App Store for non-augmented apps that Quest doesn’t have in any meaningful way iirc and they’ll need to spend money trying to attract existing Android developers to publish to their store or sign a deal with Google to provide access to the Play store (which will never happen).

Expect to see a massive strategy shift from Facebook if Q4 numbers indicate the vision pro is a hit and likely competitor “me too” products from Google, Microsoft, and Samsung if it at ask looks like Apple has reinvigorated this market.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by oliwary »

ctvo wrote: post #25

This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…

I am not sure I agree. Meta can aim to be the android of the VR market, providing a decent product for much less money and being able to benefit from having much more devices out there. If VR becomes anywhere near as mainstream as phones at some point, meta will be very well placed to capture that position, which could be incredibly profitable.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by mzsmyk »

asjfka wrote: post #47

Apple Vision will fail. It doesn't matter if it's a good product or not. Fact is, wearing it makes you look like a dork. This is why it will fail. Segway made you look like a dork too and it failed. Then the hoverboard got out and you looked cool while using it and it is successful. There is a future for Apple Vision's tech, but this is not the product that will sell. People will buy a product that makes them look co…

Segway Ninebot sells fairly well.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by hedora »

wahahah wrote: post #27
ctvo wrote: post #25

This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…

I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??

Windows led to a few market failures like this. One that comes to mind is high DPI displays. In terms of pixels per inch, today’s 1080p displays are laughable by 2001 standards.

It has been a quarter century since high DPI CRTs were affordable, and 20+ years since LCDs were.

However, Windows wasn’t compatible with such things until at least 2010, so here we are a quarter century later, and laptop lines still often only offer meh-for-the-late-90’s displays.

A more recent example is suspend resume. I’m not sure of the details, but I am sure that intel will never do better than S3 sleep from ten years ago, and Microsoft pushed them to change how sleep works.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by smoldesu »

mrobins wrote: post #76

Pricing the headset at 7x the Quest seems like an Apple power move. Ordinarily if you’re 2nd or 3rd to a category you’d expect there to be pressure to price in the same ballpark. You want customers to compare but say the new product is worth spending a reasonable amount more than the old product because it has some bells and whistles. At $3500 Apple invites no comparison. They’re basically pretending Meta doesn’t exi…

On the flipside, it gives Meta a blueprint for disrupting the market. They're well-poised up to release a "Quest Pro Max" of sorts - keep the Quest form factor, but go all-in on eye tracking and screen tech. Price it at $3,000 and include a nice aluminum stand for kicks and giggles.

The Hololens was a "power move" headset that had to repeatedly re-adjust its target market because the price was too high. Apple could end up in the same spot if they can't iteratively bring down the price.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by Gigachad »

asjfka wrote: post #47

Apple Vision will fail. It doesn't matter if it's a good product or not. Fact is, wearing it makes you look like a dork. This is why it will fail. Segway made you look like a dork too and it failed. Then the hoverboard got out and you looked cool while using it and it is successful. There is a future for Apple Vision's tech, but this is not the product that will sell. People will buy a product that makes them look co…

It's an Apple product, and one that everyone knows is super expensive. It'll end up like the Airpods max, weird looking, but still a status symbol.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by gnicholas »

cloudking wrote: post #60

Interesting take, I thought he would be pretty excited a major player is entering the space he's been working on since they acquired Oculus. Apple would have done research to validate this product and market before entering it. Edit: he did acknowledge this a bit on Lex Fridman podcast https://youtu.be/C_fpCVtGR6I

A friend of mine works at Meta and was telling me about how much of the AVP's functionality exists on the recent Meta devices, for a fraction of the cost. My reply: great! If that's true, that'll be a boon for Meta (as customers learn this) and for customers (who will save tons of money by getting Meta devices).

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by [deleted] »

xnyan wrote: post #30
wahahah wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??

I worked at an electronics retailer in high school for a couple years, my job was to sell laptops. I sold a lot of laptops. Nerds like us who post comments on hacker news can have a hard time understanding the mind of the vast majority of regular people who simply could not care less about trackpad quality. It's just not a thing most people even think about.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by riwsky »

catchnear4321 wrote: post #24
GreedClarifies wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not after burning 40B USD. He had no choice but to present a strong facade. The Apple device looks impressive and the use cases presented seem plausible. It is expensive no doubt, but if they can convince the jet set crowd to wear it then it will catch on.

40B worth of lessons, spun right. its 2023, vulnerability and transparency can be signs of strength now. for those brave enough.

Meh. You can keep the last few years of Meta VR “advances”; for the price, I’d much rather just buy 11 million Vision Pros.
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