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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??
I worked at an electronics retailer in high school for a couple years, my job was to sell laptops. I sold a lot of laptops. Nerds like us who post comments on hacker news can have a hard time understanding the mind of the vast majority of regular people who simply could not care less about trackpad quality. It's just not a thing most people even think about.
If I may, I’d make a slight modification to your statement.
The vast majority of people don’t care about trackpad quality when it comes to shopping.
They do care when they *use* it but they either take it for granted when it works well, or it’s too small a papercut to trade in their device and buy/research a new one.
but it all combines together to make a smoother experience when using it, and it can convert people as a part of a whole.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#53So about: “ every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself “ I’m not sure I grasp the critique given commercials like: https://youtu.be/CfTC-dPwdLM And multiple parts of the Vision keynote highlighted being present with those remotely as well as those locally. “ so much energy that now you need a battery “ I think everyone remembers the part where Apple admitted they are behind and getting th…
Surprised that link was not to a DoorDash commercial.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#54If Apple's Vision Pro succeeds in dominating this new market, there will be competitors like there always has. Let's say the Vision Pro is #1 in terms of market share--they might not be, but Apple certainly has some obvious advantages. I find the question of who will be #2 in the market more interesting.
Meta has positioned themselves as either #1 or #2 so far, but that position could easily vanish just like the Blackberry. It requires great execution of both the hardware and operating system with their current strategy, and Meta doesn't exactly have a history of producing either. I'm surprised they haven't gone the Android or Windows way of just producing the software and licensing the OS to OEMs. It greatly increases their attack surface area on either the hardware or the OS from another competitor other than Apple.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
I worked at an electronics retailer in high school for a couple years, my job was to sell laptops. I sold a lot of laptops. Nerds like us who post comments on hacker news can have a hard time understanding the mind of the vast majority of regular people who simply could not care less about trackpad quality. It's just not a thing most people even think about.
If I may, I’d make a slight modification to your statement. The vast majority of people don’t care about trackpad quality when it comes to shopping. They do care when they *use* it but they either take it for granted when it works well, or it’s too small a papercut to trade in their device and buy/research a new one. but it all combines together to make a smoother experience when using it, and it can convert people a…
The vast majority of people don’t care enough to pay for it.
This is why people balk at the price of Apple Vision even though Apple managed to miniaturize a Macbook into a visor and added LiDAR, two 4K screens, a separate depth sensor, several other cameras, and even a 3D camera to it
That said, Mark’s devices aren’t bad for the price. They’ve been the best overall VR headsets for the past 2-3 years.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#56In this clash of visions, Apple wins by default. Not because Apple has a track record of setting the computer interface paradigm for the whole industry, but because Apple actually has its own vision — “spacial computing”. Zuck, on the other hand, aims to realize a sci-fi dystopia that he didn’t envision. Neal Stephenson did. Zuck didn’t found Oculus either. Now, Zuck may be the world’s greatest opportunist; copying,…
Apple didn't coin the term spatial computing. It's been used in the industry for a long time. They are both copying other's visions.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#57This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…
I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??
My guess would be... patents? (Apple's got all the good ones?)
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I worked at an electronics retailer in high school for a couple years, my job was to sell laptops. I sold a lot of laptops. Nerds like us who post comments on hacker news can have a hard time understanding the mind of the vast majority of regular people who simply could not care less about trackpad quality. It's just not a thing most people even think about.
If I may, I’d make a slight modification to your statement. The vast majority of people don’t care about trackpad quality when it comes to shopping. They do care when they *use* it but they either take it for granted when it works well, or it’s too small a papercut to trade in their device and buy/research a new one. but it all combines together to make a smoother experience when using it, and it can convert people a…
> or it’s too small a papercut to trade in their device and buy/research a new one.
Most of the time they don't notice at all unless its truly atrocious or truly mind blowing (and whilst I can firmly say the macbook trackpad is the best I've ever used, lets be honest its not mind blowing). They might notice things don't feel as smooth as it did on their macbook (assuming they even had one last, if not how can you tell something is worse if its all you've ever had), but they're unlikely to narrow this down to the trackpad.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#59This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…
Exactly, if Meta sticks with snapdragon+android, it's game over for them. If you've been following John Carmack, one constant theme in his posts while still working there was his dissatisfaction with the underlying stack (Os+Hw) and not pushing the envelope hard enough. Apple has a huge advantage with its vertical integration and nearly complete control of the entire stack. Android being a janky/buggy/glitchy mess is…
Carmack also pushed for more affordable headsets to increase adoption of the technology.
imo it is a technological marvel but the size of the demographic willing to spend $4k on a headset with no proven long term value is quite small.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#60Interesting take, I thought he would be pretty excited a major player is entering the space he's been working on since they acquired Oculus. Apple would have done research to validate this product and market before entering it.
Edit: he did acknowledge this a bit on Lex Fridman podcast https://youtu.be/C_fpCVtGR6I