> The introduction of Apple’s headset marks a major competitive threat."
An idiot like me thinks the opposite: it validates the market and thus justifies further spending to Facebook investors.
Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#22> The introduction of Apple’s headset marks a major competitive threat." An idiot like me thinks the opposite: it validates the market and thus justifies further spending to Facebook investors.
It's both. Good if you use it, very bad if you ignore it.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
admit the competition may have done something interesting? point out there are things to learn from this? suggest that it would take the company’s best efforts, but that it could do better? you don’t have to shit on the other team to say your team can be the best. this was an attempt to suggest apple is somehow less personable than zuck.
There is a veiled “we’ve got work to do” admission: “ And seeing what they put out there and how they’re going to compete just made me even more excited and in a lot of ways optimistic that what we’re doing matters and is going to succeed. But it’s going to be a fun journey. “ 1: they admit that having Apple dip into a category validates it 2: the “fun” is a euphemism for - we need to get our s@!t together quick, exp…
apple just validated his seemingly overzealous stab into the space. he wasn’t completely wrong.
zuck had, arguably still has, a chance for a real hero arc here. his recent pr piece about local martial arts tournament was endearing.
veiled admissions and euphemisms are just silly, and hint that this might just be more of the same. nothing at all.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
admit the competition may have done something interesting? point out there are things to learn from this? suggest that it would take the company’s best efforts, but that it could do better? you don’t have to shit on the other team to say your team can be the best. this was an attempt to suggest apple is somehow less personable than zuck.
Not after burning 40B USD. He had no choice but to present a strong facade. The Apple device looks impressive and the use cases presented seem plausible. It is expensive no doubt, but if they can convince the jet set crowd to wear it then it will catch on.
40B worth of lessons, spun right.
its 2023, vulnerability and transparency can be signs of strength now.
for those brave enough.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#25This sounded weak to me.
Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system.
The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components.
We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position.
A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful. It has to be responsive. It has to have the little touches. It's much more difficult to do that when you're constrained by off the shelf components.
Apple had the best touchpads for a decade because of those integrated properties, for example.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#26> The introduction of Apple’s headset marks a major competitive threat." An idiot like me thinks the opposite: it validates the market and thus justifies further spending to Facebook investors.
I wouldn't say it validates the market. At least not the market Facebook is going for. The ultra high-end market might be ripe for disruption after so many big companies failed at producing a super expensive MR device, but rumors say Apple plans to ship as little as 200k units in the first year. The entire Quest line has already sold north of 20M units, with most of that coming from the entry level models Quest 1 and 2.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#27This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…
I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??
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#28Just having a higher resolution alone has made Apple Vision worth talking about. By all accounts I’ve read it’s very impressive. The interface is much better on the Vision than with the Quest. I had a Quest but I stopped using it because my eyes no longer can stand to see non retina screens. Pixelization was fine 15 years ago but anymore. Wearing glasses in the Quest was a pain. My glasses fogged up too often. Implem…
I disagree that higher resolution alone makes it worth talking about. Meta can churn out high quality screens as well as Apple, for a price. The more compelling angle is how they have nailed the interface with eye and hand tracking and if this works as well in real-world environments as it did in their demo setup. Apple has a tech advantage lately with their software and hardware stack. But historically their product…
Meta can churn out high quality screens as well as Apple, for a price.
But they didn’t.
The more compelling angle is how they have nailed the interface with eye and hand tracking and if this works as well in real-world environments as it did in their demo setup.
This is what I was referring to when mentioned implementation. To paraphrase you I could retort: “Meta could have spent the time perfecting the interface but chose not to.”. I don’t see the relevance of such thinking though.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#29This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…
Speaking of trackpad, I have never touched a mouse ever again since I started using Mac and it’s been 7 years now.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#30This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…
I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??
I worked at an electronics retailer in high school for a couple years, my job was to sell laptops. I sold a lot of laptops. Nerds like us who post comments on hacker news can have a hard time understanding the mind of the vast majority of regular people who simply could not care less about trackpad quality. It's just not a thing most people even think about.