That comment is quoting its parent comment in order to object to it. The parent comment was flagged and we banned the account that posted it. I'm not sure what else we should have done there.
> and we banned the account that posted it I'm not sure what else we should have done there. Take a moderator action at the time and not a month later?
Good moderation requires time for deliberation and careful judgement. Hasty decisions will lead to bad decisions and given the huge volume of comments that Hacker News gets, Dan does a sterling job.
Please don't and just keep the noreferrer, but if you do insist on banning the domain then you could perhaps add an explanation that it was at the request of the site author. Preferably with a link to this post or something else showcasing the insanity.
Why is it that you characterize their view as 'insanity'?
They think they get to control who visits their website without putting up authentication controls, and choose to fight this battle by breaking Google's rules for deceptive websites (white text on white background).
> and politely redirects you. I never got the redirect here but from what I understand about it, it is absolutely not polite in my opinion to redirect from an Asahi Linux blog to Google because I happened to find the blog post on Hacker News. In fact, it's quite rude.
If someone doesn't want you to come into their house, even if you found the address through a friend it's not rude. They neither are scolding you nor berating you like certain websites that are linked from HN. They just redirect you to Google, from where you can still visit the site. They don't want direct links, that's it.
I don't buy the website equals house analogy. But if I did, redirecting to Google is like sending me to the landfill instead of locking the door and putting up a sign.
HN is absolutely not doing close to enough to chase away racists, bigots and transphobes. I've had minorities confide in me that they feel unable to participate on HN, one of the most influential sites in our industry, because of the level of bigotry tolerated here. This is one of the many ways in which inequality in our field perpetuates. This is not good! There are many things Dan could do to make this place more w…
Do you have specific examples of content that you believe should be removed but is not? I'm asking because it's really hard to have a meaningful constructive conversation about these sort of topics without concrete examples, IMHO. I could respond with some generic comments, but they may not apply at all to the examples you have in mind. For what it's worth, I wrote a little extension to completely hide posts from cer…
As a concrete example, the person who posted this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36231243 should have been immediately banned and made an example out of, and the people who challenged them should be unflagged.
> These seem like meaningless token gestures to be honest.
They're not meaningless gestures! Thry stake out a clear position on controversial topics with all the attendant effects.
HN is absolutely not doing close to enough to chase away racists, bigots and transphobes. I've had minorities confide in me that they feel unable to participate on HN, one of the most influential sites in our industry, because of the level of bigotry tolerated here. This is one of the many ways in which inequality in our field perpetuates. This is not good! There are many things Dan could do to make this place more w…
If someone doesn't want you to come into their house, even if you found the address through a friend it's not rude. They neither are scolding you nor berating you like certain websites that are linked from HN. They just redirect you to Google, from where you can still visit the site. They don't want direct links, that's it.
I don't buy the website equals house analogy. But if I did, redirecting to Google is like sending me to the landfill instead of locking the door and putting up a sign.
Sending to Google is, asking you to go back to the road most info is accessed from Google, it's not a landfill, they're not sending you to some random troll website hosted on tor.
They don't want interactions with HN plain and simple.
It's up to them to choose how or on what parameters to deny your access, at least they did their part gracefully.
But adding explicit evasion techniques for a particular site, is not at all graceful. HN is a discussion forum, not an archive or search engine or content repository, it seems funny for it to add explicit techniques to allow its users to evade restrictions.
Dan, you can avoid all this by fixing your moderation. Start banning the transparent bigots (like the "colored flag" person here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36231243 ) right away. Care about what the actual hackers like marcan have to say. Even do a little thing like put a little pride flag on HN during June. (People are going to complain about it. Ban them!) This isn't that hard, it just requires a clear co…
So your solution is to ban everyone who disagrees with you? In fact, your solution is to ask HN to take an explicitly political position of no relevance to its intended purpose, and then ban everyone who objects to that?
Tolerating overt bigotry is absolutely something HN should NOT do. That's not politics. That's being a decent human.
I don't buy the website equals house analogy. But if I did, redirecting to Google is like sending me to the landfill instead of locking the door and putting up a sign.
Sending to Google is, asking you to go back to the road most info is accessed from Google, it's not a landfill, they're not sending you to some random troll website hosted on tor. They don't want interactions with HN plain and simple. It's up to them to choose how or on what parameters to deny your access, at least they did their part gracefully. But adding explicit evasion techniques for a particular site, is not at…
> They don't want interactions with HN plain and simple.
Fine. So put up a page saying that. Don't instead send me to some privacy invasive and user hostile third party such as Google.
Someone sensitive to this kind of thing may already perceive this comment as offensive (because it contains an arguably overreaching suggestion and a hint of disgust), which seems like a good explanation for the strong response. Because I'm not directly emotionally involved I can make the following response: > he should probably just own it if it is indeed him Well, maybe, but consider that he may just not want to. T…
One question however: would Linus accept merging the commits signed by a pseudonym? Or Asahi patches would not be upstreamed due to this?
"using your real name" was changed to "using a known identity". And from the commit message:
> And despite the language, we've always accepted nicknames and
that language was never meant to be any kind of exclusionary wording. [...] Just simplify the wording to the point where it shouldn't be causing
unnecessary angst and pain, or scare away people who go by preferred
naming.
One question however: would Linus accept merging the commits signed by a pseudonym? Or Asahi patches would not be upstreamed due to this?
I believe these patches can be upstreamed, even under a pseudonym. Per a recent clarification of their policy: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/lin... "using your real name" was changed to "using a known identity". And from the commit message: > And despite the language, we've always accepted nicknames and that language was never meant to be any kind of exclusionary wording. [...] Just simplif…
That wording would lead me to believe that Asahi Lina as a pseudo-anonymous vtuber would not qualify for upstreaming. It sounds like they want to allow people to use preferred names that might not match their legal name but still are tied to their physical person.