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Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by solarkraft »

mfalcao wrote: post #121
ladberg wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just being a vtuber, but outing them as an alter ego of marcan. Not exactly the nicest thing to do on HN's part (and I'm probably complicit by posting this comment), but also the information is already "out there" and blocking HN to keep it under wraps isn't a great strategy.

If that is actually him and he doesn't want to be associated with that persona then making this video [0] was a weird choice... But in any case it seems natural that people are curious about this, after all it's a popular project and listing virtual avatars as members is strange. At this point he should probably just own it if it is indeed him. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=effHrj0qmwk

Someone sensitive to this kind of thing may already perceive this comment as offensive (because it contains an arguably overreaching suggestion and a hint of disgust), which seems like a good explanation for the strong response.

Because I'm not directly emotionally involved I can make the following response:

> he should probably just own it if it is indeed him

Well, maybe, but consider that he may just not want to. That should be respected.

> listing virtual avatars as members is strange

Not at all, really. Publishing under a pseudonym is the norm rather than the exception online, so is having multiple of them. Multiple on the same project may be unusual, but so what. They can do whatever the hell they want.

I agree on your other points and believe that a clear "we will leave this question open and would like you to stop wondering about it" would go further towards the goal than what's currently happening.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by anaganisk »

jpambrun wrote: post #172
anaganisk wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't just claim that without knowing the context. Also I think, if some website doesn't want you to link to it, and politely redirects you. You shouldn't deploy code evade referrer for that site particularly. C'mon we aren't talking about using a VPN to evade a region block, it's one website abusing their referrer tags against another.

You have no business being on the internet if you don't want to be linked to. I can't believe I have to type this out..

Cool let's shutdown all the filters for spam, adblockers etc

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by anaganisk »

josephcsible wrote: post #126
anaganisk wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't just claim that without knowing the context. Also I think, if some website doesn't want you to link to it, and politely redirects you. You shouldn't deploy code evade referrer for that site particularly. C'mon we aren't talking about using a VPN to evade a region block, it's one website abusing their referrer tags against another.

> Also I think, if some website doesn't want you to link to it, and politely redirects you. You shouldn't deploy code evade referrer for that site particularly. Why? You don't have a right to not be talked about.

When did I ever say that, HN is free to talk about them, but they don't want you to visit them. And I think it's up to them to choose with whom they want to interact.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

#195

Post by anaganisk »

rascul wrote: post #164
anaganisk wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't just claim that without knowing the context. Also I think, if some website doesn't want you to link to it, and politely redirects you. You shouldn't deploy code evade referrer for that site particularly. C'mon we aren't talking about using a VPN to evade a region block, it's one website abusing their referrer tags against another.

> and politely redirects you. I never got the redirect here but from what I understand about it, it is absolutely not polite in my opinion to redirect from an Asahi Linux blog to Google because I happened to find the blog post on Hacker News. In fact, it's quite rude.

If someone doesn't want you to come into their house, even if you found the address through a friend it's not rude. They neither are scolding you nor berating you like certain websites that are linked from HN. They just redirect you to Google, from where you can still visit the site. They don't want direct links, that's it.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by gaius_baltar »

solarkraft wrote: post #191
mfalcao wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that is actually him and he doesn't want to be associated with that persona then making this video [0] was a weird choice... But in any case it seems natural that people are curious about this, after all it's a popular project and listing virtual avatars as members is strange. At this point he should probably just own it if it is indeed him. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=effHrj0qmwk

Someone sensitive to this kind of thing may already perceive this comment as offensive (because it contains an arguably overreaching suggestion and a hint of disgust), which seems like a good explanation for the strong response. Because I'm not directly emotionally involved I can make the following response: > he should probably just own it if it is indeed him Well, maybe, but consider that he may just not want to. T…

One question however: would Linus accept merging the commits signed by a pseudonym? Or Asahi patches would not be upstreamed due to this?

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by analognoise »

ubermonkey wrote: post #180
jpambrun wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have no business being on the internet if you don't want to be linked to. I can't believe I have to type this out..

What you CAN do and what you SHOULD do are often different things, and that difference is something that the HN crowd would do well to reflect on. Asahi doesn't want attention from HN. It's a small project about hardware that most HN commenters seem to hold in contempt anyway. Why not just honor the request?

Contempt? I've seen nothing but praise about the Asahi from HN. Its also the only place I've ever heard people talk about it.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by analognoise »

Lammy wrote: post #36

Context: https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110060225535294882 https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io/commit/a7...

Thank you. I've read the entire thread and I had no idea what was really causing the issue as I don't think HN is a cesspool of transphobia, hate, etc.

HN causes traffic to the Asahi blog, which causes comments which are generally of low quality, tangential, trying to dox Lina, or vile on the Asahi blog is my summary.

There are other comments here which indicate that as a source of transphobic comments, HN appears to be the prevalent in the referrer of said comments.

I think though that most people who read HN do not comment. I have used HN for a long time and have not seen anything to indicate a prevalence for transphobic remarks - far from it this place seems very tame compared to the same material placed on say Reddit (to me).

This, then, was the issue for me: obviously if vile comments frequently come with an HN referrer, a site admin who reads the vile comments will think poorly of HN - but I don't think those comments reflect the actual commenting HN population, leading to the confusion.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by kome »

NoGravitas wrote: post #97
pseudosavant wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is enough to make me never touch Asahi Linux. What a childish game for a Linux distro? How dare someone link to their website without their approval...because that is totally how the internet works?? ffs.

Do you hate jwz, too? Because I assure you, if you follow a link from HN to jwz.org (without removing the referer header), you will get much worse than a Google redirect.

let's try: https://jwz.org http://jwz.org https://www.jwz.org/blog/2023/06/and-its-a-great-looking-sku...

edit: strange, it works perfectly for me.

Re: Hacker News evading criticism by selectively adding noreferrer to certain links

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Post by howinteresting »

gettodachoppa wrote: post #166
personjerry wrote: post #24

As far as the thread goes, the author sounds as though they are a child throwing a tantrum. In the original OpenGL thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36212674 there seems to be some discussion as to why the author hates HN, i.e. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36229753 quoted here: > It's not really all that much of a moral conundrum. Marcan's belief - expressed a number of times on his Mastodon - appea…

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HN is absolutely not doing close to enough to chase away racists, bigots and transphobes. I've had minorities confide in me that they feel unable to participate on HN, one of the most influential sites in our industry, because of the level of bigotry tolerated here. This is one of the many ways in which inequality in our field perpetuates.

This is not good! There are many things Dan could do to make this place more welcoming, from simple things like marking June as pride month/February as Black history month (as many tech communities already do) to loudly banning and making an example out of bigots, making it clear that transphobia, racism and anti-immigrant sentiment (including the open anti-H1B racism so prevalent here) won't be tolerated.

Everyone makes their own decisions, but it is completely reasonable for sites to boycott HN and reject its traffic until this is addressed.

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