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Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by kotaKat »

sussmannbaka wrote: post #310
101011 wrote: post #304

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This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. For one, I don't believe this place fosters a hostile environment, although it's definitely a place where people love to tell you how you're technically wrong about something. For another, I would guess that there are a very limited number of websites that would opt into this sort of anti-traffic behavior. Hacker news could certainly choos…

there is constant transphobia against Asahi contributors on display on this site. Every single article that gets to the frontpage will have dozens of vile posts in the deads and a couple sprinkled inbetween. I’m not sure if HN staff doesn’t care about it, agrees with them or simply isn’t aware. It’s not limited to the Asahi project, either. The site isn’t safe for queer folks.

I mean, every time Foone asked to be respected and not posted here HN staff didn't seem to care...

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

_cenw wrote: post #333
troad wrote: post #331

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> Also assuming there is a "fake contributor", who cares under which names contributions are split up? The work still got one. Also, it is absolutely not your project, you don't get to demand people show their ID when they write code for a project. If I contribute my code to an open source project, then I - as the copyright holder - agree to license my work under an open licence. If I use an OSS project, I am using o…

If you wanted to split hairs this thin, you wouldn't use any project with at least one german citizen as contributor, since they can never truly yield all copyright on a work. You'll be fine. Anonymous contributions to free software (or even entire releases done anonymously, e.g. Bitcoin) are not actually uncommon. As I said, very weird hangup to have, definitely not motivated by other reasons.

What makes ze Germans special?

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by _cenw »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #342
_cenw wrote: post #333

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If you wanted to split hairs this thin, you wouldn't use any project with at least one german citizen as contributor, since they can never truly yield all copyright on a work. You'll be fine. Anonymous contributions to free software (or even entire releases done anonymously, e.g. Bitcoin) are not actually uncommon. As I said, very weird hangup to have, definitely not motivated by other reasons.

What makes ze Germans special?

Right to moral objection.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by troad »

_cenw wrote: post #338
troad wrote: post #337

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I can honestly say I've never, ever, heard anyone call anyone else these terms on Hacker News. I don't think I've ever even heard those terms before. It sounds like you might be very online, in a way that seems to be making you unhappy. Some of my most upvoted comments on here have been from a 'queer' perspective. It helps to assume good intentions and engage with others constructively and in good faith. I must admit…

this is very dismissive for how much you're projecting i'm dismissing you. it's okay if you can't relate to me, just don't assume you understand. hn is unsafe in the way that it provides zero control over what you have submitted and a perfect history of your posts, mostly set in stone unless you email an administrator. at least reddit lets you self-service delete posts. those are perfect conditions for a certain kind…

> you can of course now go on to scold me and others with this problem about how we need to up our opsec or shouldn't post in the first place

Not at all. I neither think you should up your opsec nor avoid posting. I think you should be unabashed of what you have to say. I also think you should hear out others doing the same, generously and in good faith.

That tiny minority who harass and abuse queer people today? That used to be virtually everybody, all the time, everywhere you'd go.

The only reason queer rights are where they are today is because people weren't afraid to speak up, even when they had every right to be. When coming out meant admitting to criminal acts - proclaiming them in public, no less. Had they not put themselves out there - had they refused to speak to those that didn't already agree with them - this would be a much darker world, and your definition of 'unsafe' would be a lot more visceral.

People used to march, faces out in the open, in their small towns, for their rights, past neighbours who hated them. That's what 'unsafe for queer people' means. I'm just never going to be able to see 'people disagree with me online sometimes' as being in any way comparable.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by troad »

renewedrebecca wrote: post #339
troad wrote: post #326

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> This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. It's not really all that much of a moral conundrum. Marcan's belief - expressed a number of times on his Mastodon - appears to be that he can prevent other people from discussing something, for the sole reason he doesn't want it discussed. It's not a particularly defensible position in an open society. In particular, he is upset that peo…

Quit with the gaslighting. It's not about an anime avatar, and you know it. The problem is more that HN is perceived, with good reason, to be transphobic, and Asahi has several trans developers. This is also the reason why a couple of other people I won't mention don't want HN to link to their projects either, because for every link, several people will bitch in the comments about the validity of their gender and pro…

> gaslighting

> and you know it

I'm always so knowledgeable in the eyes of people who criticise me!

No, I didn't know Asahi had a single trans developer. I've never seen it come up on HN, where I most often hear about the cool work being done by the Asahi team. The vast majority of comments on here about every new Asahi article are effusive praise.

I dispute the characterisation of HN as some transphobic hellsite. That characterisation is simply not accurate, in the slightest, whatever perception may prevail on the Asahi Discord.

> why the fuck do you care

My other comment below, explaining the legal issue with fake OSS contributors, was already up by the time of your comment, so I refer you there. More broadly, I think Marcan should get to have as many anime alter-egos as he wishes. I'm just not particularly surprised that people find that noteworthy, and I think if you choose to have a public anime alter ego, you probably should be able to deal with that? I feel like Marcan's attempt to shut down this discussion is a perfect example of the Streisand effect - I certainly would have never found out about 'Lina' were it not for this silly feud.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by rodgerd »

fsflover wrote: post #305
rodgerd wrote: post #222

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You seem unfamiliar with the Alder Lake compromise.

Indeed. Care to give a link? Quick DuckDuckGo search returned nothing.

Sure: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/05/leak-...

The gaggle of moving parts that are involved in the PC world make security and privacy substantially more challenging because of nonsense like this - a vendor with rubbish security (not even an HSM for critical signing keys!) compromising the broader world.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by _cenw »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #346
_cenw wrote: post #343

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Right to moral objection.

That doesn't explain anything. Can you elaborate?

The most commonly cited example is a musician objecting to use of their music during a neo nazi rally. They won that case as the court judged the integrity of the work to be compromised.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

_cenw wrote: post #348
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #346

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That doesn't explain anything. Can you elaborate?

The most commonly cited example is a musician objecting to use of their music during a neo nazi rally. They won that case as the court judged the integrity of the work to be compromised.

I see. Well, I don't think that would affect code in the same way. If they have already contributed it then it's out in the open, and unless the maintainer was doing something objectionable they wouldn't have a case, and even if they did it would only be enforceable in Germany.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by fsflover »

rodgerd wrote: post #347
fsflover wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Care to give a link? Quick DuckDuckGo search returned nothing.

Sure: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/05/leak-... The gaggle of moving parts that are involved in the PC world make security and privacy substantially more challenging because of nonsense like this - a vendor with rubbish security (not even an HSM for critical signing keys!) compromising the broader world.

Thanks. It seems this confirms that my own keys are more secure, because with them such problem couldn't occur.
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