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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by super256 »

RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #59
super256 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the whole idea of locking down the API, heavily promoting reddit awards + avatars and pushing of the official app is done to have growth and a better valuation when they go public?

You can have/ believe anything you like. If you think those things increase their value, and want them to go public, I want them to go public too. I just don't agree/ have the same thesis about their value and where it is derived that you do.

> If you think those things increase their value

I do! But just the paper value. The maximum value for humanity would be if they would've just kept going like a few years ago, I guess? But I can understand if investors want ROI.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by sudosysgen »

riceart wrote: post #289
sudosysgen wrote: post #286

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> I’m just not buying how a federated system of isolated instances solves this. What fundamentally prevents the dominant oligopoly or monopoly server(s) from just being Reddit running on Lemmy? Lemmy doesn’t dictate how things are run - so why won’t a major fu.nded instance just evolve to a new Reddit? How does Lemmy decisively get you to a Reddit without the ads? What stops a major Lemmy instance going to shit? A fe…

> With federation, there is no longer an incentive to do so, because you don't have a moat Domination is orthogonal to a technical federation feature. Once there is enough imbalance you defederate and that’s that. There’s nothing that inherently prevents gross imbalance from forming and the natural forces favoring centralization - such as funding one beefy instance - still apply. > value proposition for an instance t…

There actually is something preventing gross imbalance from forming. Slightly different choices in federation for large instances with regards to extremists are a big one, and since power-users tend to be central to the content and won't move instances from the beginning too easily, there is strong inertia against communities forming exclusively on one instance.

IRC was never federated. Usenet was, and it did die out - but so is email and it's working far longer than it had any right to.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by basch »

basch wrote: post #288
rprospero wrote: post #167

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My experience with php style forums has been that the communities frown upon bumping and necroposting. Rediscovering and commenting on an old thread is usually met with profanity from the forum regulars. If bumping creates a better social media experience, why is it condemned instead of commended?

Traditional forms are linear. I’m describing something more branching, where a bump starts a new branch off a trunk, but still nested under the original post.

forums

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by riceart »

sudosysgen wrote: post #302
riceart wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> With federation, there is no longer an incentive to do so, because you don't have a moat Domination is orthogonal to a technical federation feature. Once there is enough imbalance you defederate and that’s that. There’s nothing that inherently prevents gross imbalance from forming and the natural forces favoring centralization - such as funding one beefy instance - still apply. > value proposition for an instance t…

There actually is something preventing gross imbalance from forming. Slightly different choices in federation for large instances with regards to extremists are a big one, and since power-users tend to be central to the content and won't move instances from the beginning too easily, there is strong inertia against communities forming exclusively on one instance. IRC was never federated. Usenet was, and it did die out…

> IRC was never federated.

What? What do you think the term “relay” in IRC means? The jargon term netsplit used even for newer federated networks (even used in these comments elsewhere) comes from IRC. There is literally an entire network named after a defederation event.

Now we sort of take for granted that IRC is basically a closed federated system - but the original design of the network was one dominant set of relays - EFnet is a direct descendant of this network after all - if anything it’s just a specific example of politics and network evolution. There are technical reasons as well - but at the time of the early splits of the 90s (EFnet, Undernet) it was not primarily technical problems.

Anyone involved in a fediverse I think would do well to learn some lessons from IRC even if their system is technically superior.

> but so is email

As a federated system barely - go try to stand up an email server on your home network or VPS and see how well that works. It’s run by a cabal of large providers.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30224478

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by arp242 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #292
arp242 wrote: post #231

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I think "circlejerks" and "hiveminds" are okay. Would you expect a church to defend their views against atheists every Sunday? Or vice versa? Like-minded people like to hang out and talk about like-minded stuff. That's fine.

It is quite ironic, that people flagged your post. Meaning apparently, no your opinion, that people don’t want to be confronted with controversial opinions all day long was a unwanted opinion from the local hivemind. Or was I missing something here? Because I also think, that it is fine, if people do their thing in their groups. There are enough other public (online) places, where you do get confronted with other peo…

> It is quite ironic, that people flagged your post.

Flagged or downvoted? Downvoting stuff is fine; it's actually a bit more nuanced as I mentioned in my previous post because if you spend all your life in a "circlejerk" then that's perhaps a bit of an issue. That's been a concern with e.g. "The filter bubble" and things like "FOX News media bubble" and stuff. But none of that applies to e.g. Lobsters, so I didn't bother mentioning it.

Flagging would be a horrible abuse of the flag feature though.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by mindslight »

SllX wrote: post #200
mindslight wrote: post #176

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> Why does [should] Reddit have to host speech that it doesn’t want to? For the same reason that landlords have to continue housing people doing things that the landlord disagrees with. Because they took what was their private dwelling, offered it to the public as housing, and invited in a new party that has their own rights. I don't really have a dog in the "deplatforming" fight, because I think the sooner we move t…

The right to exclude is the same in both instances but the facts of each individual case matter. In the case of a landlord-tenant relationship, the landlord’s rights are still dominant but the tenant also has rights which compromise the landlord’s rights to a certain extent by a contract agreed to by both parties. Some jurisdictions may also have additional tenants rights enshrined in law, but generally speaking, if…

In the long term, a landlord can always take back possession from a tenant, sure. But in the short term, there are many ways tenants can retain possession of their home in spite of landlord wishes, backed up by valid public policy interests in having the financial details of people's homes not result in the elimination of people's rights.

You're talking about what is currently, I'm talking about the philosophical foundations of what could be. Analogous reasoning could be applied to SaaS (Software Augmented with Arbitrary Surveillance). Even if we were to consider individual private property sacrosanct, this doesn't need to extend to corporate property employed providing public-facing services.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by berniedurfee »

Gareth321 wrote: post #299
Ferkv wrote: post #296

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> Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. * If you choose reddit you are choosing reddit's server. * If you choose ycombinator, you are choosing ycombinator's server. * If you choose facebook, you are choosing facebook's server. Just because those are not federated doesn't mean the user doesn't have to deal with the bullshit of having to choose to create and manage an account in one…

All of this is technically correct, but it's communicated really badly to the end user. If there is to be any success for Lemmy in the wake of Reddit shooting itself in the foot, it needs to make the federation part completely invisible and transparent, unless someone intentionally seeks it out. join-lemmy.org makes me choose from a list of servers before I can sign up ( https://join-lemmy.org/instances ). Without ha…

Telemetry and ads

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by hutzlibu »

arp242 wrote: post #305
hutzlibu wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is quite ironic, that people flagged your post. Meaning apparently, no your opinion, that people don’t want to be confronted with controversial opinions all day long was a unwanted opinion from the local hivemind. Or was I missing something here? Because I also think, that it is fine, if people do their thing in their groups. There are enough other public (online) places, where you do get confronted with other peo…

> It is quite ironic, that people flagged your post. Flagged or downvoted? Downvoting stuff is fine; it's actually a bit more nuanced as I mentioned in my previous post because if you spend all your life in a "circlejerk" then that's perhaps a bit of an issue. That's been a concern with e.g. "The filter bubble" and things like "FOX News media bubble" and stuff. But none of that applies to e.g. Lobsters, so I didn't b…

Flagged, like this post of yours was just now. (until I vouched)

I see it happen and it disturbs me as well. The other variant would be, you are shadowbanned? But it doesn't seem like it.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by skyyler »

willcipriano wrote: post #230
skyyler wrote: post #226

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I’m not getting into an argument with you, I’m just letting you know that gab is a nazi website. There are free speech zones that don’t promote posts about killing Jewish people. By continuing to promote Gab, you will find yourself drawn to spaces that won’t challenge your promotion of a literal social media site for nazis.

Calls to violence are not legal speech and if you see some you can report it and it should be removed. Andrew Torba (the owner) frequently makes this stance clear.

You’re a very silly goose :3

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by dang »

hutzlibu wrote: post #292
arp242 wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think "circlejerks" and "hiveminds" are okay. Would you expect a church to defend their views against atheists every Sunday? Or vice versa? Like-minded people like to hang out and talk about like-minded stuff. That's fine.

It is quite ironic, that people flagged your post. Meaning apparently, no your opinion, that people don’t want to be confronted with controversial opinions all day long was a unwanted opinion from the local hivemind. Or was I missing something here? Because I also think, that it is fine, if people do their thing in their groups. There are enough other public (online) places, where you do get confronted with other peo…

No one flagged the post. It was killed by a software filter until users vouched for it.
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