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Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by high_priest »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #137
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> We just want reddit without the bullshit. What is the Reddit bullshit?

By bullshit he means censoring, forced advertising and content filtration which is conducted by the administrators and owners. These things are necessary to run a centralised internet service and some people with idealistic visions are trying to find a more open and inclusive alternative. But we have many examples why this is difficult or even impossible, with examples of Usenet or the direction Mastodon has been taking recently. Cause in reality we want to be steered mindlessly, we want to be fed a consistently emotional and relatable story. It is peaceful and easy. This is where the Web3 Social Media thrive. There is no running away from reddit, facebook, twitter.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by IshKebab »

RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #43
Eji1700 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, everyone had similar views about twitter and it's still kicking around just fine.

If Elon had kept the company public, any one with two neurons able to fire would have been shorting it and would have cleaned up. With his leadership and decision making, Twitter would have gone to 0 by now.

It wouldn't have gone to zero because it still has tons of users and no viable competition.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by Forgeties79 »

2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #64
RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #5

This has been fun to watch. Reddits been working to deteriorate its quality for a long time. The major disappointment is that they aren't a publicly traded company so there is no way to make money on their downfall.

The reddit redesign is still a marvel of technology, in a negative way. I can not comprehend how it is even possible to make a piece of software, be it online or offline, that mainly just has to display text (and the occasional video, thumbnail or image), so incredibly slow and bug ridden. It's truly baffling. The editor for comments is buggy, regularly posts comments twice, can't handle copy/paste properly, "there w…

Why they thought anyone wanted an online status indicator is beyond me. I mean I know the answer: it's not for the users. But still.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by tensor »

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

In addition to the UX of Mastodon/Lemmy, I also think the moderation or lack of it is a major issue. It would be nice if this got more attention, because it's even a weak point of places like reddit.

On the plus side, reddit does have some blanket site wide content moderation that targets some of the most egregious and illegal content. I think that's good, and I don't think "leaving it up to individual server admins to blacklist" is sufficient.

On the negative side, the way subreddits and mastodon instances are moderated is a huge problem. Being the first to create a community shouldn't necessarily give you 100% control over the content. That sort of thing can be an option, but to me reddit has made it clear that for major and large communities there needs to be some more democratically inspired form of governance.

Yes, this is a hugely difficult problem, but unless we want an endless cycle of new sites that become toxic or problematic once they grow to a certain size, it's a problem that needs a lot of attention.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by unethical_ban »

mrguyorama wrote: post #79

Let me guess; This is one of the accounts that was just posting the same "Migrate to lemmy!" message in every single thread talking about the protest next week. Spam is spam guys.

There is a lot of spam on reddit that mods choose not to address. Political subs with a few accounts whitelisted for thread submission, posting the same agitprop, dateless twitter screenshots talking about how shitty Corp X or Politician Y is. Comment bots that will have entire conversations with each other with meme banter, building upvotes.

Then there are the less malicious ones, like the quote bots on Lord of the Rings subs.

If this person was banned for having a template message about migrating to a different site, it shows a priority by reddit admins to eliminate message spreading about a competitor. It's trash.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by SllX »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #110
krisoft wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you are asking for is a new law. There is nothing wrong with that! Just important to understand that the FTC and the courts don’t make laws. They only work with the existing laws. If you want new laws the legislature is the proper place to ask for it. There is an other problem. What you are asking for is probably going to have issues with the first amendment. This might sound weird, and you probably will feel so…

The FTC enforces anti-competitive practices. Is that not clearly anticompetitive as of now?

Not under the Clayton Antitrust Act, no.

If you want to make the case, you have to make the case that it’s within the FTC’s wheelhouse under the statutes it is authorized to enforce. It might be anticompetitive, but if it’s not anticompetitive in a way that’s also illegal, then it’s outside the FTC’s jurisdiction. They can try it anyway under some novel legal theory or reading of the statute, but without being able to make a good case they would just be wasting everyone’s time including their own.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by rprospero »

basch wrote: post #82
tayo42 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

do a lot of people even want more social media and internet communities? i wasted an embarrassing amount of time on reddit in hind sight. this all reminds me of when i finally burnt out on wow. i quit, sold my account (at the end of wotlk, i think wow declined after that too?) and didn't play video games for years after. personally i feel the same way about reddit, do i really want this all again in my life? idk, im…

A better way forward is to really take the design back to primitives. Reddit/NH/Twitter/Youtube/Google all default to favoring freshness. I believe this design assumption to be a mistake. A lot of what gets posted would be better served by some hybrid of a wiki+chatroom/forum. For example, Ill just pick a thread that gets posted every week. In the what else will I like subreddit, there is constantly a "post your best…

My experience with php style forums has been that the communities frown upon bumping and necroposting. Rediscovering and commenting on an old thread is usually met with profanity from the forum regulars. If bumping creates a better social media experience, why is it condemned instead of commended?

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by shagie »

mcherm wrote: post #152
SmashPingu wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything about this seems incredibly suspect. Reddit wouldn't ever ban anyone for suggesting an alternative (there's a whole subreddit dedicated to that). This just seems to be a shill capitalizing on the news, plain and simple.

> there's a whole subreddit dedicated to that Which one?

/r/RedditAlternatives ( https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/ )

It comes complete with a wiki page that lists many of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/yttdlc/...

(edit) The original post by TFA ( https://lemmy.ml/post/1152281 ) with the link text of "Asking multiple third-party app devs consider Lemmy" is to https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/13ylrt6...

But there's a difference between posting that once, or twice... or even thrice vs cross posting it a score or more ( https://i.imgur.com/scny5VP.png ) where it becomes problematic.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by Barrin92 »

rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

>We just want reddit without the bullshit

as the overused quote goes, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

If you join a platform that's run by a large profit driven entity you're going to get squeezed sooner or later. Another relevant example, Twitch today passed some rather draconic rules on branding and ads run by users.

You can say you're okay with the bullshit, but "we just want reddit but without the bad stuff" doesn't work. The bad stuff is baked in. If you want genuine control you're going to have to do some work.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by johnnyanmac »

anoonmoose wrote: post #24

There's also some weird drama going on over a user complaining about Lyft's response to an issue, and then Lyft responding to the user's post with their real name (which was not attached to the reddit account). If Reddit removed the comment I haven't seen that yet, so the two stories feel vaguely similar in a way. https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/142094g/i_was_...

tangential, but that graveyard sort of reminds me why I left reddit. I understand that there are a lot of off topic comments, but surely there must be some better way to encourage proper moderation than having a mod delete 80% of the comments, remove the post (which in and of itself wasn't rulebreaking AFAIK), then lock the post. Then after all that have the mod speak from an ivory tower about how "Y'all can't behave". It just all feels a bit power-trippy in my eyes.
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