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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> We just want reddit without the bullshit. And who's going to pay for it?

I'd be happy to pay $5 a month to a site that essentially "hosts subreddits" for niche communities.

I think a lot of other people would, as well.

I could spin up a bulletin board on a $5 VPS for a few thousand of my closest internet friends easily enough, but there's something to be gained from a single, well-known site with a well-designed interface (not reddit!), a large existing userbase, and useful discovery tools.

I should probably stand up a lemmy instance.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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No one likes secret internet clubs, they're lame and end up as a circlejerk or a hugbox, much like early IRC servers and discord servers now. Opinion: lobste.rs sucks because you need to be one of the chosen people to post there, and you're only chosen if you think like someone already in there. The posts there are very high quality, but it might as well be a hivemind's blog. Why would I read someone else's comments…

I think "circlejerks" and "hiveminds" are okay. Would you expect a church to defend their views against atheists every Sunday? Or vice versa? Like-minded people like to hang out and talk about like-minded stuff. That's fine.

It is quite ironic, that people flagged your post.

Meaning apparently, no your opinion, that people don’t want to be confronted with controversial opinions all day long was a unwanted opinion from the local hivemind. Or was I missing something here?

Because I also think, that it is fine, if people do their thing in their groups. There are enough other public (online) places, where you do get confronted with other peoples realities. Is that really a flagworthy opinion?

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Let me guess; This is one of the accounts that was just posting the same "Migrate to lemmy!" message in every single thread talking about the protest next week. Spam is spam guys.

I've written one comment with a link to Lemmy on one of my alt, permanently suspended the next day, I appealed and they refused it without replying on why I was suspended.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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You are being downvoted but I agree, what's with people spelling it mastadon? That's not even how it's pronounced (in my English but non American country, at least), so is it a language thing? Is mastadon a real word in some languages?

In America its pronunciation is closer to "Mastadon." The second syllable sounds like "tuh." You see the same thing with other words that have "o"s that function similarly. You'll hear Americans turning "o" into "uh" in Tyrann-o-saurus, p-o-tato, etc.

But that's not how it's written, is it? Given that English pronunciation rules are very different than how words are written, I would have thought native speakers would learn to actually look at a word and imitate the order of graphemes.

Especially if we're talking about an Internet thing: you've seen it in written form more often than you have heard it enunciated out loud. And seems like the iOS text prediction is also able to spell it the right way.

I don't care honestly, but as a non native English speaker I've never understood why natives make an enormous amount of banal spelling errors.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

Exactly. I always thought Mastadon could have been so much more successful if they had just proxied cached versions of the most popular instances through a single larger server. Sure it would give Mastadon the power to pick and choose who it wants to host, but if you want to go join a different instance you are more than welcome to. It would just substantially streamline the process for your mainstream user.

> if they had just proxied cached versions of the most popular instances through a single larger server.

I mean, isn't any instance in the federation already offering a proxied cache of the content of all other instances you access through it?

You can just register/login in mastodon.social website the same way you can register/login in Twitter, and then access cached copies of content from the entire fediverse compatible with Mastodon.

If you are gonna make new accounts connect through a global mainstream proxy, you might as well just let them connect through a global mainstream instance. I personally do not see the problem with one instance being more mainstream than the rest as long as federation is still respected. It's definitelly still an improvement over centralization and if it ever becomes a burden it'd be easier to migrate.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit.

* If you choose reddit you are choosing reddit's server.

* If you choose ycombinator, you are choosing ycombinator's server.

* If you choose facebook, you are choosing facebook's server.

Just because those are not federated doesn't mean the user doesn't have to deal with the bullshit of having to choose to create and manage an account in one (or more) of them. Or possibly having to look for other alternatives (like many are doing now apparently).

You can just enter lemmy.ml or mastodon.social in the browser, press "create an account" in each of them and you'd never even need to know or care whether those federate among themselves or not.

Federation is optional from a user perspective. You could still have separate accounts in beehaw.org, mastodon.org.uk, veganism.social and mastodon.social if you wanted. You are not forced to look for content outside your instance. The same as you can have an account in reddit, another one in facebook and another one in ycombinator without ever mixing them up.

The difference is that in the fediverse you can merge them if you want to. Even if all new users exclusively used mastodon.social resulting in more de-facto centralization, I still don't think that's a big deal, personally. Just the fact that federation is possible at all as an option still provides more software freedom than Twitter, even if you don't care for federation or even know what it is.

Do you think that email being federated makes it less attractive for the average user? do they find it more complicated? ...I don't think the average user cares at all, all they know is they have a gmail or hotmail account.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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I'm reminded of a Rage Against The Machine lyric from back when public schools were mostly controlled by the religious right: "They don't gotta burn the books they just remove 'em" Back then they didn't need to ban books, they just didn't order them to be placed in the library in the first place. I'd be curious to see how much of the work of authors like Thomas Sowell is available in these libraries, I suspect very l…

why on earth would the right ban Thomas Sowell he his one of them

They don't control the libraries anymore. That's why they gave to pass laws to ban books instead of doing it quietly like Thomas is.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Re: #1 I see that as closely related to #4, so see my last paragraph. To #2, a browser extension to help with this would be great, and wouldn't be hard. I'd expect that to come sooner or later. I agree re: QT, and some Fediverse software has it already. It's coming. Ranked/AI managed feeds are very much possible to do with Mastodon/Fediverse. You just can't expect it to get built into the main Mastodon UI. However yo…

For #2 this exists: https://github.com/rugk/mastodon-simplified-federation

Fantastic. Thanks for the pointer.

There appears to be one for Chrome too here (not tested it yet):

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/graze-for-mastodon...

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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post #296
post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. * If you choose reddit you are choosing reddit's server. * If you choose ycombinator, you are choosing ycombinator's server. * If you choose facebook, you are choosing facebook's server. Just because those are not federated doesn't mean the user doesn't have to deal with the bullshit of having to choose to create and manage an account in one…

All of this is technically correct, but it's communicated really badly to the end user. If there is to be any success for Lemmy in the wake of Reddit shooting itself in the foot, it needs to make the federation part completely invisible and transparent, unless someone intentionally seeks it out. join-lemmy.org makes me choose from a list of servers before I can sign up (https://join-lemmy.org/instances). Without having a really solid understanding of how and why I need to choose a server, I'd be surprised if the conversion rate is higher than 5%.

Lemmy.ml is the largest instance, but it's already straining under the weight of a few thousand users (https://lemmy.ml/post/1147770?scrollToComments=true). I think what is needed now is someone with a big budget to purchase some server space and delete any mention of federation from the UX. It's just unclear how they will recoup their investment.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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We're still pretty alpha, but Sift is aiming to hit what you are looking for https://sift.quest/about We ended up launching sooner than we really planned after a reddit post last friday got more attention than we expected, so things are not polished and we are missing features, but we are developing quickly. We're actually targeting something a bit different than reddit longer term with a more tag based curation syst…

Looks good so far. Will you be adding comments sections for each post? Inline previews of the links, and usernames on each post, would be helpful. What is the ellipsis to the right of each post for? It doesn't seem to do anything. What is the integer to the left of each post? They don't seem to be in any apparent order. I actually rather like the interface. I feel like a lack of shininess and rounded corners keeps aw…

Thanks the feedback!

* Yes, we are working on comments sections for posts. Hoping to deploy this week.

* Usernames on posts are coming soon. They interact a bit with some things we are doing differently at Sift, so there's some complexity: * Sift tries not to to show you duplicates (the same url maps to the same node in our database for all submissions), and we don't actually privileged "submission" relative to any other person saying it is good. * We trying out a different privacy model where posts don't have to be publicly attributed. Right now we are effectively in the everything is anonymous world, we will be adding the option for public attribution (hopefully this week, maybe next) and at that point we will begin showing usernames of people who are willing to be shown.

* I've deleted the ellipsis. It was an artifact of us trying to communicate that you can click on posts to expand ui interactions, that looks like it was doing more harm than good.

* The integers next to the post are a score. * They should be in descending order in the Explore tab. * In the library tab things are time ordered by when you saved/preferenced them * in the tag tab things are time ordered by their first submission. We'll add more sorting options eventually but it's further down the roadmap. If given that understanding things still look out of order, that's probably a bug, please report it with the feedback button (which captures information about what you are seeing).

We've gotten a lot of feedback on reddit from people wanting a more modern interface, so we're going to have to make someone unhappy. We're planning on integrating tailwind css soon and doing a bit of ui uplift.

However, we're also racing forward on implementing our trust/reputation/"probability that this user will want to see that user's stuff" model that we are really hoping will allow you to keep your good community even as 'unwashed masses' descend. We'll likely post more about that before too long on sift and/or https://www.reddit.com/r/siftquest/

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