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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by dwayne_dibley »

imachine1980_ wrote: post #157
goplayoutside wrote: post #109

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Maybe the modest technical hurdles are a feature, not a bug. From the (currently) top comment in the lemmy post you linked[1], which relates a story about alt.sysadmin.recovery in the 70's/80's: >Which brings me back to my point. A few hoops to jump through and a few initial challenges to adoption can go a long way as a filter for who can show up and interact. Of course we would want Lemmy to be welcoming to anyone w…

The problem is writers who don't focus In tech probably won't be in the app, history reddit, manga, bodybuilders are high Quality subrredits that can't translate so easy to lemmy

Yup, this is why Facebook groups still exist. My Gran can’t start a sewing subreddit but can click groups on Facebook. This is just the next level of that.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by kelseyfrog »

nulbyte wrote: post #116
yuck39 wrote: post #45

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Exactly. I always thought Mastadon could have been so much more successful if they had just proxied cached versions of the most popular instances through a single larger server. Sure it would give Mastadon the power to pick and choose who it wants to host, but if you want to go join a different instance you are more than welcome to. It would just substantially streamline the process for your mainstream user.

> Exactly. I always thought Mastadon could have been so much more successful if they had just proxied cached versions of the most popular instances through a single larger server. Relays serve this purpose. I use one on my personal one-user instance. https://joinfediverse.wiki/index.php?title=Fediverse_relays&...

https://relay.fedi.buzz/

Worked as an interesting relay solution to my small instance. I relayed most of the instances which contain profiles I've subscribed to and it filled out my timeline considerably. Replies to remote posts aren't downloaded by default and this solved that problem.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by sudosysgen »

shagie wrote: post #260
sudosysgen wrote: post #141

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The software is fine, it can handle a few thousand active simultaneous connections on a fairly standard machine, and is indefinitely horizontally scalable (limited of course by whatever DB you use). I'm pretty sure the admins just haven't specced it for more than the low loads they normally get.

... Imagine if Apollo was able to just flip a switch and point it at Lemmy with 2.3k r/s. Who's gonna pay that server bill?

That should be within what it can scale to with donation-level support, given some optimization. As it is right now, there are live updates via websockets for all active users, some queries can be optimized dramatically, and there is no sharding - the running costs are 30EUR/month. With a few thousand a month and some smart optimization, 2k requests/s is not out of the realm of possibility.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by riceart »

sudosysgen wrote: post #249
riceart wrote: post #217

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Let’s be real here this system is flawed at its core though. This can’t even handle the load of some moderately popular PHP forums with simple deployment or even this site nothing took decades to harden. And this is due to gross flaws in architecture, IMNSHO. Comparing it to Reddit is silly. And yes I’m sure there are more than a few here that can honestly say their servers could handle this load - it isn’t much.

Care to point out the core flaws? As far as I'm concerned there aren't any core issues. There are a lot of queries to a single DB which is one the same server, but there's nothing preventing you from running the DB on another server and sharding it if need be. I wouldn't call that a core architectural issue because the way you set up your DB is not core to the architecture.

It’s a federated system without any of the affordances that would make it usable (or particularly interesting to me). Literally load balancing by going to a long list of alternate instances. The sites own documentation just says, find one that works, and if that shits the bed find another. This is a UX agreeable to a very tiny and idiosyncratic group (as evidenced by Mastodon once the Elon is evil hype died.

Yes of course in theory you can beef up any instance, and shard, and add a caching and queueing layer while you’re at it. And tada you’ve just redid Reddit.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by Eji1700 »

rootusrootus wrote: post #101
slig wrote: post #65

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>With his leadership and decision making He has other companies that you can short if you truly believe this.

There have definitely been some people making money on TSLA's decline. They had to wait a while, sure.

The short argument is so silly. Plenty of people were 100% right about what was coming in 08. 99% of them would've gone broke shorting it. Knowing it's fucked it's the same as knowing WHEN it will fall and having the money to hang in there while you get ripped apart as everyone pretends otherwise.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by sudosysgen »

riceart wrote: post #264
sudosysgen wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to point out the core flaws? As far as I'm concerned there aren't any core issues. There are a lot of queries to a single DB which is one the same server, but there's nothing preventing you from running the DB on another server and sharding it if need be. I wouldn't call that a core architectural issue because the way you set up your DB is not core to the architecture.

It’s a federated system without any of the affordances that would make it usable (or particularly interesting to me). Literally load balancing by going to a long list of alternate instances. The sites own documentation just says, find one that works, and if that shits the bed find another. This is a UX agreeable to a very tiny and idiosyncratic group (as evidenced by Mastodon once the Elon is evil hype died. Yes of c…

Sharding, caching and queuing doesn't break federation. That's not a core flaw.

As the ecosystem grows, a shortlist of popular, robust, federated instances will crop up for people who just don't want to bother.

Again, if you have any core flaws, I'm all ears.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by Eji1700 »

_zn02 wrote: post #28
Eji1700 wrote: post #25

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I mean, everyone had similar views about twitter and it's still kicking around just fine.

For some value of "just fine" https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-twitter-documents-ad-... Not that it's worth much but I recently deleted my Twitter account (and then a few weeks later, also, my Reddit account)

I mean personally I have almost never used twitter and I wish it'd burn to the ground just on the principle that it creates trash content and arguments by design.

Still, for all the fire and brimstone predicted (and I was one of them) it's running, and probably capable of running at a loss for quite some time.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by [deleted] »

miyuru wrote: post #42
andersa wrote: post #16

Well, considering I am getting this on clicking the link: 404: FetchError: invalid json response body at http://lemmy:8536/api/v3/site ? reason: Unexpected token 'T', "Timeout oc"... is not valid JSON This site is clearly not prepared to handle any kind of migration from reddit.

you can read it using another instances, beauty of fediverse. https://lemmy.ca/post/580103 https://feddit.dk/post/19972

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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by riceart »

sudosysgen wrote: post #266
riceart wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a federated system without any of the affordances that would make it usable (or particularly interesting to me). Literally load balancing by going to a long list of alternate instances. The sites own documentation just says, find one that works, and if that shits the bed find another. This is a UX agreeable to a very tiny and idiosyncratic group (as evidenced by Mastodon once the Elon is evil hype died. Yes of c…

Sharding, caching and queuing doesn't break federation. That's not a core flaw. As the ecosystem grows, a shortlist of popular, robust, federated instances will crop up for people who just don't want to bother. Again, if you have any core flaws, I'm all ears.

> Sharding, caching and queuing doesn't break federation. That's not a core flaw.

I didn’t say it did, but it doesn’t enhance it either.

> As the ecosystem grows, a shortlist of popular, robust, federated instances will crop up

How short is a shortlist? When does that mean just new Reddit?

I suppose I would be more enthused if at the least the basic design eased standing up high traffic (or let’s be honest even mild traffic) instances. The performance story right now is: it’s written in rust - which is not nothing but it would be more interesting if supporting even a moderate amount of traffic on minimal hardware was an architectural priority. The flaw as I see it is that this is just not a design goal.

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2877

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2910

You can argue that things can be improved but initially well engineered systems help to enhance initial mindshare.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by lyu07282 »

willcipriano wrote: post #224
lyu07282 wrote: post #183

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Banning nazis and other hate speech isn't "abandoning free speech", the right has just lost their collective minds. Literally banning books from schools and pretending its the liberal mainstream (which isn't even remotely left in reality btw.) who are against free speech.

I'm reminded of a Rage Against The Machine lyric from back when public schools were mostly controlled by the religious right: "They don't gotta burn the books they just remove 'em" Back then they didn't need to ban books, they just didn't order them to be placed in the library in the first place. I'd be curious to see how much of the work of authors like Thomas Sowell is available in these libraries, I suspect very l…

why on earth would the right ban Thomas Sowell he his one of them
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