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Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by johnnyanmac »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #18

IMO the FTC and courts (supreme?) should be stepping in here, and more generally, stating that communications platforms must not censor freedom of speech, nor censor in an anticompettive way. If I want to talk about Hondas on Twitter, Elon should be barred from censoring that. If I want to talk about Bitchute on Youtube, Alphabet must allow that. If I want to use my macbook pro to write windows software, Apple must n…

I don't think it's legal issue so much as a violation of their own contract (and no, I don't think "we reserve the right to remove anything for any reason" is very binding. Just a CYA for if/when they DO actually break the law by removing content that could get them sued).

There's nothing saying you can't talk about other communities, and there is in fact an entire sub focused on "reddit alternatives" (guess the name). So for them to ban accounts for this without a clear change in rules violates that trust. But ofc coporate interests and trust are nearly parallel at this point.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by vidarh »

bhouston wrote: post #85
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

Mastodon's issues are: (1) poor discovery (2) if I am on one mastodon site, I can not just retweet that post, I have to go to my server and then cut-and-paste a link to that other site. (3) no quote tweeting, important for vitality. (4) and most importantly, no ranked/AI-managed feed. Thus it is filled with noise. In many ways, Mastodon is a purposely janked product because people don't want to make things easy to go…

Re: #1 I see that as closely related to #4, so see my last paragraph.

To #2, a browser extension to help with this would be great, and wouldn't be hard. I'd expect that to come sooner or later.

I agree re: QT, and some Fediverse software has it already. It's coming.

Ranked/AI managed feeds are very much possible to do with Mastodon/Fediverse. You just can't expect it to get built into the main Mastodon UI. However you could do this w/external software that produces an ActivityPub actor that you can consume either by following it or by adding it to a list. It's on my list (sorry) of things to play with, but I hope someone beats me to it (and frankly, it's a space that's wide open for a variety of variations, going from shared up/downvoting a la reddit, to simple bayesian network over your own activity, to a more complex machine learning model or crazy stuff like asking the openai API questions about whether the content matches whatever profile you want.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by lyu07282 »

willcipriano wrote: post #94
skyyler wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first post I got when I opened that link was from a user going by "Kitler" (based on the profile picture, it's a kitten version of Adolf Hitler) Kitler's post was culture war stuff about homosexuals. Clicking on his profile, I get taken to a bunch of racist and anti-semetic posts. Gab is for a certain kind of person .

You know how people in California claim that the homeless problem there is due to them having programs to support the homeless, and that if other states did a better job their state would have less of a problem? Well if you are basically the only website that allows all legal speech, you are going to see a lot of stuff that was censored elsewhere. I'd love to see a version of this created by a more left wing group of…

Banning nazis and other hate speech isn't "abandoning free speech", the right has just lost their collective minds. Literally banning books from schools and pretending its the liberal mainstream (which isn't even remotely left in reality btw.) who are against free speech.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by bamfly »

Macha wrote: post #84
sph wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with Mastodon is that some people still don't know how to spell it properly. It's not rocket science.

Not so sure about that, people unable to spell YouTube seemed to do more harm to Universal Tubing who owned utube.com than it did YouTube. If you hadn't heard of them before, how many ts in Twitter? Is TikTok spelt with the letter c?

People who've seen YouTube written down a couple times tend not to get it wrong. Twitter is a common dictionary word and I'd bet had a pretty low misspelling rate, if you'd asked people to spell it before the service Twitter even existed. TikTok, I think most people get after seeing it a few times, at worst.

Mastodon? It's a dictionary word, so it as that going for it—and yet, people see it a hundred times and still often misspell it. The pronunciation's just a bit too far from the spelling, at least in American English. Most folks say it as if it were spelt "mastadon", especially if they're not trying to enunciate carefully & precisely and (perhaps) don't know the correct spelling.

(I'm not weighing in on whether that's some kind of serious problem for Mastodon, but I do think it's worse than all your other examples, as far as likelihood of misspelling even after significant exposure—then again, web search smooths over most of that, for anything sufficiently popular)

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by Sunspark »

2pEXgD0fZ5cF wrote: post #64
RosanaAnaDana wrote: post #5

This has been fun to watch. Reddits been working to deteriorate its quality for a long time. The major disappointment is that they aren't a publicly traded company so there is no way to make money on their downfall.

The reddit redesign is still a marvel of technology, in a negative way. I can not comprehend how it is even possible to make a piece of software, be it online or offline, that mainly just has to display text (and the occasional video, thumbnail or image), so incredibly slow and bug ridden. It's truly baffling. The editor for comments is buggy, regularly posts comments twice, can't handle copy/paste properly, "there w…

My favourite bug there (unless it's actually a feature?) when people post links reddit will intentionally break urls by actually inserting "/" in the link url especially if the urls have "_" to separate words in it. so this_is_an_example becomes this/_is/_an/_example.

When you use their "app" it works, but if you use a browser it breaks.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by dontupvoteme »

Barrin92 wrote: post #169
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

>We just want reddit without the bullshit as the overused quote goes, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. If you join a platform that's run by a large profit driven entity you're going to get squeezed sooner or later. Another relevant example, Twitch today passed some rather draconic rules on branding and ads run by users. You can say you're okay with the…

>Another relevant example, Twitch today passed some rather draconic rules on branding and ads run by users.

Users? The user is the one watching. And from what I see Twitch is preventing people on their platform from making it a streaming billboard service.

I think this is a broken clock corporate policy. I only watch but one or two people on the platform and they don't really do ads, but something has to keep the cancerous adtech game in check.

Hopefully google bans sponsorships next.

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by yreg »

timeon wrote: post #179
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

> slow Not sure if this is problem since Reddit's UI is massively laggin.

Not old reddit, which is certainly included in "reddit without all the bullshit".

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by genewitch »

bhouston wrote: post #85
rjh29 wrote: post #34

I hope Lemmy does well, but I don't think it's going to replace Reddit (and that's likely fine in the eyes of the Lemmy team) Nobody wants a federated, slow, difficult to use version of reddit. Nobody wants to choose a server. We just want reddit without the bullshit. It's the same issue with Mastodon. Mastodon is down over 1 million users since last December, and I bet that's related to how difficult it is to sign u…

Mastodon's issues are: (1) poor discovery (2) if I am on one mastodon site, I can not just retweet that post, I have to go to my server and then cut-and-paste a link to that other site. (3) no quote tweeting, important for vitality. (4) and most importantly, no ranked/AI-managed feed. Thus it is filled with noise. In many ways, Mastodon is a purposely janked product because people don't want to make things easy to go…

> 1. agree, discoverability can be difficult on small instances without being seeded with global follows.

> 2. & 3. Mastodon is just one implementation. It happens to be the most popular, but it isn't the most full featured. I use Misskey, another implementation, and it supports all of the things mentioned here. see below.

>4. This is the main reason i prefer "fediverse" to stuff like facebook. I don't want to be gamed, i just want to read stuff as it comes in. If someone seems interesting, or a thread seems interesting, i can just click and read their profile or the thread.

Misskey has some faults. The admin experience, at least to me, is opaque. Me and a few other Misskey admins are looking for alternatives that aren't GNUSocial or Mastodon. We're hoping that someone develops a compiled implementation of activitypub to link against or use with an API; barring that i think we were debating if plemora was a good one to try.

And additionally, on point 2 above, mastodon supports what you say, it just opens a small window, which you may be blocking - however i admit that i may be misunderstanding this part. The window that opens says "what account would you like to use to ?"

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by shagie »

pgoggijr wrote: post #81
kats wrote: post #66

They always try to say that it's the big bad guy vs the good little guy, but a lot of the time it's not true. One comment said the user posted a lot of spam that they didn't mention in their post.

The author addresses that comment in an edit - seems like the commenter stretched the truth a bit. Manually cross-posting shouldn't be a suspendable/bannable offense

How many posts before it does? From https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36216654 there is this image: https://i.imgur.com/scny5VP.png

That's more than the dozen (now nine) that show up in https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/duplicates/13xy42u/now_th...

Re: Reddit permanently bans account of user advocating Lemmy migration

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Post by bluGill »

rprospero wrote: post #167
basch wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A better way forward is to really take the design back to primitives. Reddit/NH/Twitter/Youtube/Google all default to favoring freshness. I believe this design assumption to be a mistake. A lot of what gets posted would be better served by some hybrid of a wiki+chatroom/forum. For example, Ill just pick a thread that gets posted every week. In the what else will I like subreddit, there is constantly a "post your best…

My experience with php style forums has been that the communities frown upon bumping and necroposting. Rediscovering and commenting on an old thread is usually met with profanity from the forum regulars. If bumping creates a better social media experience, why is it condemned instead of commended?

Most social media has no concept of I already read this. When I read something with a bunch of comments and come back latter there isn't a good way to skip past the things I've already see to what is new (and of course go back if I don't remember the context). Because of this I don't want you to bump something old - I read it way back, and I no longer even have an idea of where I last read...
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