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Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
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Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
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Unfortunately, those people vote.
They do vote and they should vote. That to me is quite different from deliberately inflaming them to other actions. edit: what I mean by that is that facebook, twitter and reddit and 4chan should be held directly responsible for the violence they foster. "we're just a communication mechanism" doesn't cut it anymore. Their promotion algorithms are very different from being a telephone company
Yes they do not deserve section 230 protections as the algorithm makes them a publisher.
Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
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I agree. A lot of people seem to believe that centralization is the problem, and ignore Wikipedia, which has been true to its mission far longer than Reddit or Twitter have, and it never needed a decentralized model. The simple explanation is that it's the profit motive that is the problem. That can be fixed with the proper organizational structure. I wish the Mozilla Foundation would stand up Reddit and Twitter clon…
I spent a lot of time on Wikipedia back in the day. It is monstrously screwed up too, less by the profit motive per se than by innate bureaucratic urges, and (in the Wikimedia Foundation's case) the desire to control a bunch of money and direct it to one's pet projects, which is the next best thing to getting one's own hands on the money. Besides money, the other corrupting substance is Google search rank, which lead…
I love the idea of built-in offline Wikipedia, huge plus.
Coming back to your first point... how often would you maintain a fork of your own encyclopedia? Even with Git, you would fork mostly in order to submit a PR to the original repo. I'm just trying to understand the use-case here since I cannot imagine a situation where I would fork Wikipedia and make my edits to be shared with my friends only and my friends would do the same.
Did you mean something like fandom.com where communities (not individuals) can start their own wikis? I'd also love that.
Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
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Please don't snarkily dismiss someone's work. If you want to contribute constructively, there are plenty of other ways to bring this point. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
One of the first posts I saw was the N word over and over
That's no excuse for posting bad comments yourself.
A big internet forum like HN gets tons of crap comments. Most eventually get moderated, but not all; and even the ones that get moderated take time before we see them.
Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
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You don't need to agree to TOS to scrape a public website, what they write in it is moot.
They can still ban your service, e.g. block your IPs. Sure, you could then play a cat and mouse game with them, but your API clone going down every few days will make it unusable for anyone with a real purpose. The companies that reddit (officially) wants to target, e.g. OpenAI et al., have no problem scraping.
You can just host on Gcloud and report as GoogleBot, good luck with that. There's also plenty of proxy services.
> The companies that reddit (officially) wants to target, e.g. OpenAI et al., have no problem scraping.
Indeed, on their case they just need the datasets anyways
Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
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My point wasn't that scraping reddit is not a violation of the ToS, it was that you're not able to legally enforce the terms of the ToS (that you have quoted in your reply) on people who haven't agreed/consented to them (which they do by logging in).
Even if I were to agree with your interpretation (and I absolutely do not), this is still plain jane mass copyright infringement. The submitters have given reddit a sublicense to publish their content, not random 3rd parties.
> The submitters have given reddit a sublicense to publish their content, not random 3rd parties.
This is tangential no? Third party reddit apps _already_ republish end user content.
I'm not saying third party apps powered by scraping are not illegal, I'm saying they're _no more_ illegal than those powered by the official reddit API.
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Mastodon is not P2P/decentralized, it's federated.
Basically the difference between connecting to datacenter-residing apps that internally share data between each other and connecting to 10 random guy's basement PCs. Everyone who played any P2P multiplayer shooter in their life knows P2P sucks... on the other hand, dedicated server based shooters and MMOs (generally) work great. You don't have to be an IT professional to know this. Similar concepts (speed of light an…
That's too broad of a generalization. p2p is AWESOME for latency since every server added adds latency.
What you are talking about are probably p2p networks with multiple users (based on your shooter reference) and the problem is of home connections and bandwidth since multiple users that all need to connect to everyone doesn't scale.
So for your example: One on ones over p2p are optimal, but p2p matches with more than 8 players are suboptimal (I pulled the number out of my ass it depends on the protocol and usecase)
Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
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As history has shown, you can only do so much to stop this. If you perfectly mimic the GoogleBot and use google IP ranges by hosting on google cloud, they either take an SEO hit or let you bot them at the end of the day. GoogleBot looks like a DDoS attack a lot of the time too You can also go the route of looking like a pool of users, then it's just a game of cat and mouse and one providers don't really have time to…
> As history has shown, you can only do so much to stop this. History has shown you can stop this well enough. Try accessing e.g. instagram; bibliogram attempted this, the project is now discontinued.
This is true in the case of content that doesn't care about SEO. Reddit cares very very much about SEO, so it can never truly block bots.
Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
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As history has shown, you can only do so much to stop this. If you perfectly mimic the GoogleBot and use google IP ranges by hosting on google cloud, they either take an SEO hit or let you bot them at the end of the day. GoogleBot looks like a DDoS attack a lot of the time too You can also go the route of looking like a pool of users, then it's just a game of cat and mouse and one providers don't really have time to…
The google scraper ips are very different no? > If you perfectly mimic the GoogleBot and use google IP ranges by hosting on google cloud
You are right, apparently they do publish the ranges https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/...
Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative
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> It's weird to use the name "plebbit" considering that's the derogatory term for Reddit used by 4chan folk. It's like begging for this to be a dumping ground for some of the worst human behaviors. i think thats the obvious intention. Just scroll down the page to see what the user base is.
And that makes it nothing more of a joke website to me even if it's impressive under the hood
Impressive? It didn't even finish loading for me lol.