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Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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Hopefully, for the consumer it would be no different than YouTube or Netflix. Unless you don't want ads, then you pay your dues. I have no idea how the experience would vary for the advertisers. For the producer it should offer more flexibility in how they get paid. This is the major selling point I think . The ability to put out a high effort video -- say you made a full length movie -- and be able to charge theater…

Wow, as a consumer I am really sold on this model! You tell me I will pay theater prices and get ad interruptions throughout the show? This is fantastic, sign me up. /s

haha this is what im thinking, where is the incentive to actually use it.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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I think decentralizing and p2p is the wrong approach to solving the issue with commercialized social networks. What we really need is a non-profit & transparent & independent governance setup. Financing should happen through donations, maybe grants but certainly not ads. A bit like Wikipedia mixed with Mozilla, but even more transparent.

we need centralized communications even more than we need centralized file sharing. while we are at it, centralize the whole internet. heck, centralize and regulate every form of human interaction, digital or otherwise

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I don't really find Mastodon that slow. I do think it's got a lot, lot of sharp edges that need smoothing out before it's really viable. But speed isn't a problem, and it's decentralised.

Mastodon is not P2P/decentralized, it's federated.

> Mastodon is not P2P/decentralized

Mastodon is decentralized, because there is no central server. However, it is not distributed.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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It basically scrapes reddit.com's HTML. Doesn't use the official API at all (that would defeat the purpose).

That doesn't sound like it's going to be a stable API? I'm not sure there is much you can do though. Edit: yea after looking at this, it definitely appears to violate the TOS. Also this seems like a huge red flag just begging reddit to shut it down: "Unlike with the Reddit API you do not need to authenticate using OAuth."

IANAL but my understanding is that violating the ToS is only ever a problem if your crawler decides to "sign-in", as that constitutes agreeing to the terms of the ToS.

Further, old.reddit.com doesn't gate any content (even NSFW stuff) behind a sign-in page (at least for now)

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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Impressive feat! Does reddit have rate limiting, or other hurdles in place similar to the hoops youtube-dl has to jump through? Curious what your thoughts are about maintaining a project like that.

As history has shown, you can only do so much to stop this. If you perfectly mimic the GoogleBot and use google IP ranges by hosting on google cloud, they either take an SEO hit or let you bot them at the end of the day. GoogleBot looks like a DDoS attack a lot of the time too You can also go the route of looking like a pool of users, then it's just a game of cat and mouse and one providers don't really have time to…

> As history has shown, you can only do so much to stop this.

History has shown you can stop this well enough. Try accessing e.g. instagram; bibliogram attempted this, the project is now discontinued.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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I don't really find Mastodon that slow. I do think it's got a lot, lot of sharp edges that need smoothing out before it's really viable. But speed isn't a problem, and it's decentralised.

Nitter page: full page layout with all text loads in about half a second, images load in the next three https://nitter.it/rauschma Mastodon page: requires unblocking JavaScript, takes one second just to load the basic layout (without post contents), then takes four to ELEVEN seconds to fully load https://fosstodon.org/@rauschma I expected better.

https://mastodon.social loads in under a second, for me.

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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That doesn't sound like it's going to be a stable API? I'm not sure there is much you can do though. Edit: yea after looking at this, it definitely appears to violate the TOS. Also this seems like a huge red flag just begging reddit to shut it down: "Unlike with the Reddit API you do not need to authenticate using OAuth."

IANAL but my understanding is that violating the ToS is only ever a problem if your crawler decides to "sign-in", as that constitutes agreeing to the terms of the ToS. Further, old.reddit.com doesn't gate any content (even NSFW stuff) behind a sign-in page (at least for now)

> IANAL but my understanding is that violating the ToS is only ever a problem if your crawler decides to "sign-in"

Where on earth would you get that impression?

From the reddit ToS: "To use certain features of our Services, you may be required to create a Reddit account (an “Account”) and provide us with a username, password, and certain other information about yourself as set forth in the Privacy Policy."

NB: "Certain features", that clearly means that features are not gated by sign in, and that the ToS also applies to them.

Also from the Tos: " Except and solely to the extent such a restriction is impermissible under applicable law, you may not, without our written agreement:

license, sell, transfer, assign, distribute, host, or otherwise commercially exploit the Services or Content; modify, prepare derivative works of, disassemble, decompile, or reverse engineer any part of the Services or Content; or access the Services or Content in order to build a similar or competitive website, product, or service, except as permitted under the Reddit API Terms of Use."

And later: "Access, search, or collect data from the Services by any means (automated or otherwise) except as permitted in these Terms or in a separate agreement with Reddit (we conditionally grant permission to crawl the Services in accordance with the parameters set forth in our robots.txt file, but scraping the Services without Reddit’s prior consent is prohibited)"

Re: Demo: Fully P2P and open source Reddit alternative

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I don't really find Mastodon that slow. I do think it's got a lot, lot of sharp edges that need smoothing out before it's really viable. But speed isn't a problem, and it's decentralised.

Mastodon is not P2P/decentralized, it's federated.

Basically the difference between connecting to datacenter-residing apps that internally share data between each other and connecting to 10 random guy's basement PCs.

Everyone who played any P2P multiplayer shooter in their life knows P2P sucks... on the other hand, dedicated server based shooters and MMOs (generally) work great. You don't have to be an IT professional to know this. Similar concepts (speed of light and multiplicative effects of multiple slow connections) apply here.

P2P is only great for uses where latency doesn't matter. See: Torrents.

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