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Re: Notes on Vision Pro

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Post by dangerwill »

hparadiz wrote: post #349
jb1991 wrote: post #315

I use quite a few Apple products every day of the last 10 years, and I’m very impressed with certainly all the technology and reviews and explanations of how this device works and what the user experience will be. However, this is the first Apple device that really makes me pause. All of the marketing material, the WWDC videos, all of it feels very uncomfortable to see all these people isolating themselves in a room…

I don't know if you've ever seen Serial Experiments Lain. In it the protagonist slowly descends into an underground of hackers while finding herself isolated in a room with all sorts of mid 90s aesthetic crt monitors, servers, tubes and wires. And that is more what my current office looks like as opposed to someone hanging out on a couch wearing this headset. If the user interface is to be believed you can in theory…

So I just watched Serial Experiments Lain last weekend, and the wires are a strong aesthetic in the show, but that is not what the show is actually about. The horror at the heart of the show is about depersonalization caused by constantly being Connected to the subconscious of other people. It's a show about the fears of a constantly connected world brought on by the internet, not the user interface of that connection.

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Post by bowsamic »

dymk wrote: post #456
bowsamic wrote: post #404

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Covered in a basic sense, but that's an extremely diminished experience which basically removes half the reason to use it

Let’s see how it works before we start making all these assumptions. Apple has the best track record in the industry when it comes to accessibility, hands down.

I agree, but if that's their entire solution, it isn't good

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Post by hoytschermerhrn »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #468

Hit me this morning they never showed anyone working with files. Can’t believe after the failed attempts to kill files on iPhone and iPad they’ve learned nothing and still think we can pretend a professional work tool can exist without a proper file system. Not saying it should have desktop icons strewn across your living room, just that the “files siloed in apps transferring via share buttons” iPad model is objectiv…

You’ve posted a 3-paragraph rant on a baseless assumption for a product which hasn’t been released yet. Let’s all withhold judgement until we have more information about how this truly works.

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Post by msoad »

anonred wrote: post #136
lukevp wrote: post #133

From years of observing first-hand how hard it is to develop software, I’m shocked that Apple continually makes products that fit their aesthetic (eg. The crown and headband evoking the Apple Watch) and have coherent and mostly-baked software on launch like this. Is there a book about how they’re able to operate at scale and deliver such consistent things? Do they just have an insanely good product team? How do they…

Hypothesis: Apple is a hardware company that also does software, and that ethos allows them to ship more complex products over much longer time scales than their competitors.

I agree. Sometimes it feels Apple ships software too slowly. For example we have to wait for iOS 17 to be released to get a Whisper level dictation on the iPhone while Whisper has been out for almost a year. But maybe shipping at the pace of hardware is a good thing. Maybe we shouldn't deploy our sites on each commit

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Post by wouldbecouldbe »

Yeah projecting they eyes is such a stretch, seems to suggest they think we really will hangout with eachother while having the goggles on. Maybe they are right in the end, but weird. Same with the cameras displaying the world instead of using the eyes. Interesting choice, but also a big bet.

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Post by jsjohnst »

Arn_Thor wrote: post #103
TX81Z wrote: post #73

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Yeah, but they’re so far behind even if they 10x Siri they’ve got nothing on OpenAI.

Then again.. Siri is all on device. I don’t want to send my voice anywhere

> Siri is all on device.

No it’s not. Try doing literally anything without an active internet connection and she’ll say “I’m having trouble connecting”

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Post by maaaaattttt »

jb1991 wrote: post #315

I use quite a few Apple products every day of the last 10 years, and I’m very impressed with certainly all the technology and reviews and explanations of how this device works and what the user experience will be. However, this is the first Apple device that really makes me pause. All of the marketing material, the WWDC videos, all of it feels very uncomfortable to see all these people isolating themselves in a room…

The 3D spacial capture will ne done on the iPhone in one or 2 generations. I would bet a lot of money on that. That way Apple’s almost certain that all Vision Pro owners will upgrade their phones. They just couldn’t show it captured that way yet as it’s not yet available on the iPhone.

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Post by linsomniac »

jb1991 wrote: post #315

I use quite a few Apple products every day of the last 10 years, and I’m very impressed with certainly all the technology and reviews and explanations of how this device works and what the user experience will be. However, this is the first Apple device that really makes me pause. All of the marketing material, the WWDC videos, all of it feels very uncomfortable to see all these people isolating themselves in a room…

I imagine a future iPhone will be able to record Vision enabled content. I imagine you might be able to just set the Vision Pro on the table while it's recording and you do your thing.

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Post by personlurking »

sudhirj wrote: post #428
jb1991 wrote: post #315

I use quite a few Apple products every day of the last 10 years, and I’m very impressed with certainly all the technology and reviews and explanations of how this device works and what the user experience will be. However, this is the first Apple device that really makes me pause. All of the marketing material, the WWDC videos, all of it feels very uncomfortable to see all these people isolating themselves in a room…

This whole thing would have been much better if they’d positioned it as a work and personal entertainment machine, similar to a bunch of monitors with a Mac mini, and replacing iPads or single-viewer TVs. By trying to show interactions with other people, it’s just highlights a weird isolation - what it’s not pointing it out is that the advantage for people like me who work in a private home office where I’m already i…

> similar to a bunch of monitors with a Mac mini, and replacing iPads or single-viewer TVs.

Except the Vision Pro maps your home, visually and acoustically. I suppose it's acceptable if one already has a Roomba and an Alexa.

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Post by linsomniac »

johnchristopher wrote: post #366
JohnBooty wrote: post #76

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Oh, 100%. The interfaces in Minority Report were spectacular in terms of cinematic movie appeal. Artistically it was a great choice, and they certainly weren't intending to inspire a bunch of wrong-thinking UI choices in the real world.

I distinctly remember they said they had hired scientists to discuss what the future would look like and I always thought "yeah, right, so in the future we got those holo interfaces and computers ultra connected but people in the same office still copy files from one computer to the other using some kind of plug able storage". But now that I am also in the future I still use USB drive to move files at the office beca…

I rarely use USB media, instead just copying things around using the network. But last week I needed to copy 200GB to my son's laptop, and ended up putting a 256GB SD card in the laptop and copying to it over night (it was started at 9pm anyway).

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tape.

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