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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by alehlopeh »

jerf wrote: post #546
hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

It is commonly said extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Much less commonly said, but still true, is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary trust . I do not trust the people saying these things. That I can not 100% guess their motivations for this is not particularly relevant. They have a long history of consistent and large lies. Failing to take that into account when they're making this sor…

A credible alien threat would give world leaders a super easy excuse to demand emergency powers, impose martial law, and assume total control of all aspects of life, in the name of the war effort. Said world leaders really really want these things, so you can safely assume there isn’t a credible alien threat. You don’t have to trust them, just trust that they’ll act in their own interests and work backwards from there.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ufmace »

King-Aaron wrote: post #396
Loquebantur wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Perhaps people simply aren't prepared to accept the implications of the government lying about this - as well as successfully covering it up - for so long. It's a big impact to a persons world view.

I'm perfectly prepared to accept that - they're already lying about tons of other stuff. I'm just gonna need something a little more solid than, this guy claimed a few other guys told him some stuff and showed him some papers about how there are totally aliens. Let's see the papers, let's see some close-up high-quality videos of this stuff. Everybody has a HD video camera with 24x7 net connection in their pocket at all times now, how come we haven't seen anything like this yet?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by halfcat »

mc32 wrote: post #560
Communitivity wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During World War 2 the British consulted astrologers as part of their planning process. Not because they believed the astrology predictions, but because Hitler did and was known to have astrology influence his attack plans.

That's a cool anecdote and makes sense if you're trying to meet him at his level... So what purpose does pursuing a belief in UFOs have? Are China and Russia gonna be like, what, UFOS?! Let's waste money studying something we have no evidence for!

> Are China and Russia gonna be like, what, UFOS?! Let's waste money studying something we have no evidence for!

Yes. That’s exactly what happens. [1]

“In 1970 United States intelligence sources believed that the Soviet Union was spending 60 million roubles annually on "psychotronic" research. In response to claims that the Soviet program had produced results, the CIA initiated funding for a new program known as SCANATE ("scan by coordinate") in the same year.”

That program was funded until 1995.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mostlysimilar »

getmeinrn wrote: post #590
ajross wrote: post #514

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Absolutely fascinating that the top two replies to an article about Aliens! are positing basically the same conspiracy: that this is a deliberate psyop run by a "nation state" and not just... people being wrong about stuff? Why go through the trouble to refute one unlikely and poorly supported hypothesis just to jump right into a new one? Has Occam taught us nothing? There are no successfully hidden "conspiracies" of…

The "omg aliens" media card always seems to get pulled out when there's no $CURRENT_OUTRAGE and people are looking for something. It's like filler content when there's nothing else to rile people up.

Examples?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by res0nat0r »

ganoushoreilly wrote: post #347
res0nat0r wrote: post #330

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A much more reality based explaination: This is just sad. I'll lay this on you, yes there is a classified crash retrieval program, it's a SAP. It is about retrieving crashed UAVs from adversarial countries and has nothing to do with aliens. Don't be a sucker folks. https://twitter.com/JackMurphyRGR/status/1665884263865110529

Both things could be true though. There are tons of SAPs out there that cover a multitude of very specific things. Most aren't aware of the others either, by nature of the SAP.

Sure, but there is ample evidence of human made flying aircraft, and those being shot down, and really none of the other.

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Post by fy20 »

tus666 wrote: post #578
ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

If aliens were here they would have something better to do than buzz navy pilots off the west coast and then crash.

Maybe they are teenagers, trying to entertain themselves for summer while school is out.

If there is one other intelligent species out there, it's highly likely there are even more. Why would they care about us in that case?

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Post by ufmace »

zoogeny wrote: post #332
bragr wrote: post #208

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Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

> Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities. For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence…

A1: Man, that Jekins is so gullible, he'll believe anything. Wanna help wind him up some for the lols?

A2: Lol yeah, you're right. I'm in, that sounds like fun.

A1: Okay so I told him that we've got some alien spacecraft in the broom closet under a project named meatball. I'm pretty sure he believes me, but if you tell him the same thing, I bet he'll really go nuts!

A2: Ahahaha awesome. Okay I'll take him aside next Tuesday. This is gonna be great! I haven't had this much fun at work since the time Brett got his had stuck in the vending machine.

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Post by graderjs »

King-Aaron wrote: post #393
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents Wasn't he in charge of or in the higher end of the government led agency to investigate these things? He doesn't seem to be a nobody just saying he saw things, it was his job to investigate it for the government? And if…

Grusch also brought these people in front of Congressional oversight committees to testify. There should be more info from Grusch dropping soon on NewsNation or the Need to Know podcast. They did a 7 hour interview with him, as they talk about in this behind-the-scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQjbFZT9_EM

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by rhaway84773 »

> Grusch said the US government and defense contractors had been recovering fragments of non-human craft, and in some cases entire craft, for decades.

This makes it sound like the US govt is recovering material that has been found lying around, maybe due to a crash, or debris from an accident, or a piece of a UFO that broke off, etc.

Simple question. Why is it that only the US govt is recovering this? Presumably if these are pieces of matter that aliens are leaving behind unintentionally, they would have left them behind distributed across the world. So why aren’t other, less allegedly secretive governments with spy agencies that are less capable or protect data better, not also recovering such material? Why, in hundreds of years of UFOs visiting the earth, and leaving debris behind, are random goat farmers not finding this debris lying around?

How has every govt that has managed to find this debris managed to keep it a secret?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by [deleted] »

jancsika wrote: post #540
hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Since we're speculating, the details of "intact and partially intact" stand out. Seems like something a nation state might float if another nation state was (or was planning) ramping up some newfangled drone espionage missions. OMG aliens -> nice advanced tech you got there Intact -> would be a shame if someone ratcheted up tensions by reverse engineering it Partial -> stay off my land illegally withheld from Congres…

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