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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by motohagiography » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:04 AM UTC

no_wizard wrote: post #434

Alright HN, we all know that this is likely untrue, from a rational angle, and this thread is full of reasons why, but play this mental exercise with me for a minute: What if its true ? What repercussions would having alien technology have on civilization? Would this fundamentally change beliefs? Influence religion? EDIT: someone pointed out to make this more stimulating we need constrains, assuming the following is…

It could be polarizing, where from a religious perspective, other life doesn't break anything and is more evidence of the divine.

From a political perspective, it is risky because all our current rules are based on a now-obsolete ontology, nothing needs preservation, we are just animals again, all is material. It creates a power vacuum that some people will rush into.

The rationale for that would be, if you don't have to fear the aliens, and we're tiny specs in the universe, why should you fear other men? We are now one species and if you can't get on board with that, there are no moral consequences to shortening your time here, since as we are not the top of the pyramid, we can no longer be held morally responsible to each other - there is only this new power. If it doesn't control us, nothing does, etc.

I think the religious view would be that they must also know God, and the only way you can trust another species enough to relate to it is either it accepts your dominion, or recognizes some similar principles of divine authority. Someone who has a personal relationship with God is perfectly equipped to relate to other beings as best a human can, whereas without that, they'd have to worry about you stealing stuff.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by colechristensen » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:04 AM UTC

hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Eh, you're giving nations too much credit.

What's going on is something like emergent disinformation. A combination of

* intentional withholding of facts (we don't report on how much we know about foreign spying and interfernce with aircraft, etc),

* incompetent reporting within the government (the person denying things is a low level public relations person who isn't told much and knows very little, forced to change stories when scraps of information come down)

* memes (UFOs go through waves of popularity of public interest)

* legitimate hallucinations

* hoaxes

* rare atmospheric phenomena

What is almost certainly happening is we've got foreign spies etc. with ordinary, unusual, and unfamiliar aircraft bothering us along with thrillseekers with drones etc. on an uptick because drones are cheaper and more possible these days. There might be some really interesting secret aircraft both foreign and domestic flying around, and generally the governments aren't showing their cards about what they can do and what they know... they benefit from the confusion and conspiracies keeping their adversaries off balance chasing the unknown.

In the end the people who do know everything know some interesting but still certainly rather mundane information. It's not a case of a grand conspiracy where somebody is trying actively to manipulate public opinion, just vague intentional lack of communication and keeping secrets by just not telling most people anything involved.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by wly_cdgr » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:06 AM UTC

ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

Open ocean vs. reefs

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Communitivity » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:07 AM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #522

King-Aaron wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly not. But this narrative has been around for a lot longer than social media. Current technology certainly accelerates the spread of it, but people have been discussing this topic since the literal dark ages.

People have been discussing all kinds of things since the dark ages. Should the military consider astrology when making war plans and battle plans too cuz some people did and still make decisions based on astrology?

During World War 2 the British consulted astrologers as part of their planning process. Not because they believed the astrology predictions, but because Hitler did and was known to have astrology influence his attack plans.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by wly_cdgr » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:07 AM UTC

ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

They weren't ready for how thiccccccccc Ice Spice is

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by emmelaich » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:07 AM UTC

jameshart wrote: post #273

quickthrowman wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind pf psyop. In this case, I agree. I usually try to avoid conspiratorial thinking and conspiracy theories, but the DoD and related agencies have been putting out all kinds of information about UFOs in the past few years. My question is: why? The DoD isn’t known for their public relations. My best speculative guess is that they’re claiming they’ve found alien craft and exotic alien…

"The DoD isn’t known for their public relations" https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/43168/top-gun-2s-exten... The DoD got Tom Cruise to pay them to make a 2hr 10m ad, and then audiences paid $1.5bn at the box office to watch it. The DoD is amazing at PR.

Operating an aircraft carrier is extremely expensive. Wikipedia says 6.5m PER DAY

> In 2013, the life-cycle cost per operating day of a carrier strike group (including aircraft) was estimated at $6.5 million by the Center for New American Security.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by colechristensen » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:09 AM UTC

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Schizophrenia and pranksters both exist. Also people who want to get notoriety by saying anything they can to get attention.

Certainly much of the whole present "flat earth" popularity was driven by a bunch of people who thought it'd be funny.

I take just as seriously people who insist UFOs are aliens as those who insist the world is flat. I'm sure you can find somebody on youtube who has been "shown some documents" about how the world isn't round.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Dalewyn » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:12 AM UTC

stavros wrote: post #319

Dalewyn wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is winning (or has won and keeps on winning) the Conquer Victory, the Diplomacy Victory, and the Culture Victory. I think that's the main means of winning Civilization? Been years since I played one.

I like how you're using a game that obviously reflects the values of the culture that created it to make the point that that culture is better. If Civilization were made in Denmark, you'd have Population Happiness Victory and that's about it.

I wasn't the guy to first use the term "Civilization Earth"[1] in this thread, though.

Thread framed the conversation around Civilization, I followed suit. If you have a problem, take it up with that guy.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36219608

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:12 AM UTC

elefanten wrote: post #537

MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #506

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I agree. I mean lets assume it is true: how could the US government have failed a real alien ship? Did the poor aliens fail at filling out some paperwork? I mean this ship had to spend so much energy just to get to us, what else could have failed them?

Seems reasonable that even an intersolar civilization would be subject to bugs, errors, degradation and bad luck. An intersolar trip could’ve damaged a craft far more advanced than what we can make. Could be (perhaps even likely to be) an unpiloted craft. It could be a craft no more technologically advanced than human tech; maybe it’s an alien Voyager 1.

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mc32 » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:13 AM UTC

Communitivity wrote: post #554

mc32 wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People have been discussing all kinds of things since the dark ages. Should the military consider astrology when making war plans and battle plans too cuz some people did and still make decisions based on astrology?

During World War 2 the British consulted astrologers as part of their planning process. Not because they believed the astrology predictions, but because Hitler did and was known to have astrology influence his attack plans.

That's a cool anecdote and makes sense if you're trying to meet him at his level...

So what purpose does pursuing a belief in UFOs have? Are China and Russia gonna be like, what, UFOS?! Let's waste money studying something we have no evidence for!