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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by MacsHeadroom »

ajross wrote: post #514
hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Absolutely fascinating that the top two replies to an article about Aliens! are positing basically the same conspiracy: that this is a deliberate psyop run by a "nation state" and not just... people being wrong about stuff? Why go through the trouble to refute one unlikely and poorly supported hypothesis just to jump right into a new one? Has Occam taught us nothing? There are no successfully hidden "conspiracies" of…

The U.S. Inspector General called the claims "credible and urgent" and congress has planned a hearing on the documents provided to them under oath on said retrieval programs.

This clearly goes well beyond someone simply being mistaken.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mc32 »

AvocadoPanic wrote: post #574
mc32 wrote: post #517

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because military brass is not supposed to be wrong by going along with such unlikely scenarios. They might as well also believe the fairy god-mother decides the outcome of battles and direct their ire at her. This is The National Enquirer-level stuff.

You mean like being on the board of Theranos?

So it's to make money off of suckers? They are swindlers? We're no better than John MacAfee's banana republic low-level bribe seeking government employees.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by hirvi74 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #134
throwanem wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories I love the optimism in assuming that being a crackpot and having a career in intelligence are incompatible!

He could have been driven to crackpottery also. Consider this hypothetical: A person in intelligence knows something you would rather didn't get out, but you suspect there's a chance they will leak it. Maybe they have a personality that leads you to believe they can't in good conscience keep that secret, or maybe you're just callous and paranoid, doesn't really make a difference. One thing you could do is convince th…

> He could have been driven to crackpottery also.

What if it was against his will? What I mean is what if he has served his purpose and the government did something to make him slip into borderline insanity?

Not saying that I even remotely believe this, then again. . . It's not like the US government hasn't carried out horrible, immoral, and unethical experiments before.

Seriously though, it' one of those fun Black Mirror-like plots that pop in my head occasionally. Since everyone is throwing out all kinds of what-ifs I thought I'd try to have some fun too.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by operatingthetan »

myko wrote: post #584

If the US knew there were aliens it would have been exposed during the trump admin. Whether you like him or thought he did well or not you must admit he would've trumpeted this from the mountain tops.

If this is hidden in some black budget somewhere you think they would have told Trump or anyone in his administration? No freaking way. It is well documented that even his closest advisors carefully controlled the information he was given.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by sandspar »

It'd be weird if it turned out that it is an alien aircraft and... that's it. It's too advanced for us to understand, it's too high tech. And we're left with, "Yup, aliens exist. No, we don't know anything more about them." It's like that old movie where an airline pilot drops a Coca Cola can into the midst of an uncontacted Amazonian tribe. "Wow, this thing sure is neat. Damned if I know what it's for though."

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Post by quinndexter »

asveikau wrote: post #577
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop Is it me or is the internet really quick to reach this conclusion? It's definitely not the simplest one you can make. "The US government" can hardly pass a budget but is somehow presumed to be super competent at psyops and/or concealing evidence of aliens.

Absolutely not just you. It's everywhere.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by 7thaccount »

merpnderp wrote: post #148
beefman wrote: post #96

Aliens have never crashed here. Aliens have never even visited our solar system. The truth is more interesting: the galaxy is emptier than it should be.

If you look at all the crazy coincidences that were required for life to develop on Earth, it starts to make sense that we're alone. Single star in the system, need a big Jupiter to block space rocks, our target is a rocky planet close to star, but needs to be hit by an abnormally large moon right as the lithosphere is cooling, ripping out 1/3rd of it so that the planet can have giant continents barely covered with w…

We may only think that because we evolved here and thus think you must need all of that as we can't think of it any other way.

On another note, you probably are absolutely right and we do need at least some of that. Not too hot or cold. No massive asteroids to destroy everything...etc. I think some of the rest may be negotiable though. Like do you need water? I think yes, buuut maybe some other liquid could work?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by double0jimb0 »

thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

I’ve not taken a side yet, but to answer your first question, the original journalism outlet that published his story is The Debrief (who are pretty widely respected in the defense world), and they documented the source checking they did on Grusch:

https://thedebrief.org/fact-check-q-a-with-debrief-co-founde...

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by getmeinrn »

ajross wrote: post #514
hayst4ck wrote: post #480

step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

Absolutely fascinating that the top two replies to an article about Aliens! are positing basically the same conspiracy: that this is a deliberate psyop run by a "nation state" and not just... people being wrong about stuff? Why go through the trouble to refute one unlikely and poorly supported hypothesis just to jump right into a new one? Has Occam taught us nothing? There are no successfully hidden "conspiracies" of…

The "omg aliens" media card always seems to get pulled out when there's no $CURRENT_OUTRAGE and people are looking for something. It's like filler content when there's nothing else to rile people up.
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