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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by utopcell »

barbariangrunge wrote: post #544
ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

It’s not a fancy alien who crashed. It’s a drone from a fleet of paperclip producing ai swarms. It crash landed here, but 1000 others didn’t crash, and they’re already at work secretly converting the earth to paperclips The paperclip ai swarm’s origin story: some tech startup from 100 light years away screwed up their ai system and went extinct / got turned into paperclips The universe is devoid of life because all o…

..and let's waste 1000s of work-hours as a community: https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/

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Post by throwawayadvsec »

wly_cdgr wrote: post #555
ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

They weren't ready for how thiccccccccc Ice Spice is

I definitely did now wake up expecting to see Ice Spice being mentioned on an HN thread about aliens

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by King-Aaron »

mc32 wrote: post #560
Communitivity wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

During World War 2 the British consulted astrologers as part of their planning process. Not because they believed the astrology predictions, but because Hitler did and was known to have astrology influence his attack plans.

That's a cool anecdote and makes sense if you're trying to meet him at his level... So what purpose does pursuing a belief in UFOs have? Are China and Russia gonna be like, what, UFOS?! Let's waste money studying something we have no evidence for!

There is evidence, however, which is why the government is studying it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by kube-system »

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #550
catchnear4321 wrote: post #521

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you really think a government would do that? just go on the internet and tell lies?

Please add the /s to your comment so nobody accidentally thinks you are serious.

Even better, here's a link to the meme being referenced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0

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Post by colechristensen »

ftio wrote: post #525

Can someone explain to me how a species that can do one of the following can also do something as mundane as…crash? 1. Travel faster than light 2. Sustain a peaceful, productive, spacefaring civilization over millions of years to travel here 3. Create AI that can do 1 or 2 Am I missing something here? How can both of these facts be plausibly true? These are genuine questions, not snark.

Can someone explain to me why the phone in my pocket is literally 6000 times as fast as my childhood computer and yet still regularly laggy, slow, and broken?

It would seem as though such things would be ridiculous but clearly no matter how far ahead you are in some metric or another, things are still going to be shit now and then.

Are our machines really all that much more reliable than they were 20, 50, 100, 150 years ago? The answer is meh, no, it's a mixed bag. Advancement hasn't made everything have magical quality and reliability. Some things are a lot better, some things are a lot worse.

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Post by gitfan86 »

xpe wrote: post #538
gitfan86 wrote: post #513

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Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO. I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk an…

It seems likely to me that “seeing things” is consistent with the predictive processing model from cognitive neuroscience. To summarize: the retina error-corrects a simulation provided from the cortex. Let’s say some visual details are fuzzy. With a strong enough Bayesian prior (e.g. belief in UFOs), the human perceptual apparatus could subjectively see things that look like UFOs. Mind bending, but this seems to me a…

Yes, that seems right. Humans fill in the gaps. AI is similar, where it "hallucinates", but are humans that much different?

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Post by emmelaich »

krapp wrote: post #246
crazygringo wrote: post #163

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Culturally, Godzilla in Japan very much came out of the fear of nuclear weapons and radiation post-Hiroshima and Nagasaki -- a monster awakened and empowered by nuclear weapons [1]. I've never been super clear on what the cultural reason for aliens USA is though. Although I suppose it's different in that Godzilla was an intentional fictional creation, while the fascination with aliens hopes they're actually real. [1]…

There have been reports of aliens, alien crashes and recovery, etc. all over the world[0]. The reason it's primarily seen as an American phenomenon is that the whole culture and mythos originated in the US, first in the late 1940s with the Kenneth Arnold sighting[1] (where the term "flying saucer" originated) and later Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Whitley Streiber's Communion codified the "grey alien/abduct…

There are very prosaic reasons for the popularity of UFO sightings in the USA.

1. The gdp per capita per cloudless land area is far higher than anywhere else. Africa and Australia have lots of empty sky but relatively no-one is out and about during night time. Plus USA does some have some interesting weather. So the opportunities to see anomalous (yet very terrestrial) phenomena is high.

2. The concern that comes from being the richest and most powerful country in the history of the world, that others are trying to infiltrate. (I was almost going to use fear or paranoia instead of concern, but some of the concern is warranted)

3. USA is the center of world culture. Everything American is amplified via Hollywood and music.

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Post by user3939382 »

shrimpx wrote: post #81
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

After taking the pilots' accounts on face value, this analysis gave me new insight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs The pilots claim they saw a flying saucer that was rotating in weird ways, and provide a grainy video that's kind of convincing. The analysis proves it was lens flare. There are additional debunked UAP videos released by the military, including one that is lens bokeh around starlight, which…

Interesting analysis but doesn’t that not make sense since the radar was tracking a fleet of the same objects? Radar wasn’t picking up a fleet of lens flares.

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Post by emmelaich »

Madhouse61 wrote: post #127
orbital-decay wrote: post #104

Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

Off topic but somewhat related... As of late, I've really enjoyed watching FPV racing drone footage on YouTube. And it's made wonder - if commercial drones currently on the market are capable of this: https://youtube.com/shorts/mMmBC2nwcjY?feature=share3 What do you get when you have a multi-billion dollar defense budget and some of the best engineers on the planet?

Also check out Dutch drone shows. Amazing co-ordination among hundreds of drones.
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