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Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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For anyone in pursuit of surreal experiences and reality-perspective shifts without using LSD, lucid dreaming works just great. I didn’t use LSD but from what I read, I can tell the experience is very similar. Source: I am a lucid dreamer. It’s totally learnable (if you don’t have aphantasia afaict), although the internet is full of clickbait scammers. I can recommend learning sources if anyone wants.

Recommend already :)

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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In the general case, having delusions and other psychotic issues are not selected for traits with positive outcomes for the individuals having them. Your life is hard if you have them and conventional success is rare. They persist in the general population to an extent for the same reason other hereditary illness persists. "I would die for two brothers or 8 cousins". A gene that is to your detriment in 1/3 cases but…

> We have lots of examples of this in other heritable disease types You're saying that diseases persist in humans because they're selected for, because they're beneficial to others? That's interesting, do you have some examples?

sickle cell anemia is the classic example; one copy of the gene gives you malaria resistance, two copies gives you the disease

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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I feel like time goes by “slower” for me ever since I did a heroic dose a few years ago. Used to be stressed the f out all the time. Now I feel like I can enjoy every full second. Crazy how much time we have in life when we just stop paying attention to the negative energies like stress and instead channel them into storage for something positive later. I’ve always been efficient and quick at learning new things and…

The problem is, of course, you have no idea if that dose is what caused the change. That change in personal outlook may have been coming your direction anyway, or you may have experienced it sooner if you hadn't been doing LSD at all.

I think this is an overly cynical take. I've had pretty deep rooted anxiety most of my life and it got worse after military service, to the point that I was probably a part time agoraphobe. My mushroom and LSD use coalesces with when that stopped.

It's okay to recognize that people consistently claim an effect, and to affirm that it is indeed a possible effect without knowing why.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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> It may be better for your brain to be in a psychedelic state on certain tasks, but if it was better in the general case evolution would have already made it so. Would the same not be true of delusion, psychopathy, and various other human shortcomings?

In the general case, having delusions and other psychotic issues are not selected for traits with positive outcomes for the individuals having them. Your life is hard if you have them and conventional success is rare. They persist in the general population to an extent for the same reason other hereditary illness persists. "I would die for two brothers or 8 cousins". A gene that is to your detriment in 1/3 cases but…

Here's a lecture by Robert Sapolsky where he goes into some theories involving schizotypal individuals (and other mental disorders) and culture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WwAQqWUkpI

Long story short, the theory goes that being schizotypal (but not full-blown schizophrenic) could be an advantageous trait in human society, usually by filling some spiritual, ritual, or religious role in the group. These people are high status in their societies, and have many chances for passing on their genes.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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post #198

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In the general case, having delusions and other psychotic issues are not selected for traits with positive outcomes for the individuals having them. Your life is hard if you have them and conventional success is rare. They persist in the general population to an extent for the same reason other hereditary illness persists. "I would die for two brothers or 8 cousins". A gene that is to your detriment in 1/3 cases but…

> We have lots of examples of this in other heritable disease types You're saying that diseases persist in humans because they're selected for, because they're beneficial to others? That's interesting, do you have some examples?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235230421...

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Mad respect for your solution, but how do you get to this point where you can look at a thing and say “oh yeah, it’s XYZ”?

> how do you get to this point where you can look at a thing and say “oh yeah, it’s XYZ”? What do you mean exactly?

I think GP meant: how do you go from watching the obfuscated video to going, "To see the message I need to use mix=frames=36 with the following weights..."

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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What you seem to be after is scientific evidence. The problem is that these substances by nature cannot be double-blind trialed because blinding is impossible. So as individuals we all need to make a decision whether we would like to try them or not for ourselves and the best evidence we can ever hope to get is subjective and anecdotal. If you want to deny yourself the potential of these life changing experiences wit…

> these substances by nature cannot be double-blind trialed because blinding is impossible That's a bold claim. You can try multiple different substances, the test subjects know they ingest a psychedelic, but don't know which, which allows you to have a control group. Clinical trials would face other issues, but not this one.

i think it would be super interesting to do a study where we compared the effects of moderate/high-dose psychedelics to some other substance that had comparable subjective effects. but (a) i don't think such a control substance actually exists and (b) i strongly suspect that you'd see the same benefits to both groups - and then what conclusion do you draw from that?

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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I don’t think “lower dimension” is a pejorative, just, contrasting with the “higher dimension” claim. Like, just literally a lower dimensionality (on account of the fractal dimension, where the metric dimension is less than the (integer) topological dimension)

LSD also seems to lead to extradimensional bypass

Is this a hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy reference / joke ? About how they destroy the earth in order to make a travel route?

If not, what do you mean?

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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This gave me a good chuckle. I remember at school once there was a shadowy entity that I came to understand was NSA recruiters (think big engineering school, big Military budget, not atypical for students to have high clearance). If you signed away a couple years they gave you some cash, I remember that, but what made me laugh was the thought of those bland recruiters surreptitiously whispering, “Now look, the LSD is…

Ive heard a lot of folklore surrounding these topics. I'd just be weary personally. At one point if you admitted you had used psychedelics some number of times you were considered insane and there's no way you could pass a polygraph. Obviously no one can vouch for this topic, but consider the vulnerability associated with intense psychedelic use. If someone wanted to make you die in real life, black mail you, etc, th…

Oh god mate, I would never hahaha. Not to mention I would never work for the soul-less NSA.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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As someone who now occasionally suffers panic attacks due to psychedelic use, I agree: people downplay the risks because it suits their personal narrative and experience. Perhaps as a pushback against years of over-exaggeration re: risks, per another poster, but nevertheless a definite under emphasis on the dangers these drugs pose.

Psychedelics are not for everyone. Specially people, who thinks too much, must avoid it.

That's the problem; in general, in popular culture, psychedelics are marketed as the end of your anxiety and the reset button for your brain and that type of thing.

For some people that may be true; but for many of us, these drugs only make our brain reel faster and faster until it just goes full blown into fight or flight mode.

I'm with the other posters. I believe people should be able to put whatever they want into their bodies (as long as they fully understand what they're doing), but also should absolutely know that panic attacks, and ongoing anxiety disorders could be a side effect.

Source: My anxiety disorder that exists now after recreational hallucinogen use for about a decade.

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