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Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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> if you have a clean bill of health, your mind is in the right place, no family history of severe mental illness, and have a trusted sober friend And if you have all that you don't need to be doing mind altering drugs anymore.

You do if you want to "see for yourself". Which was GPs entire point.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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For those that are curious, these are the messages: https://imgur.com/a/y0mXbAk Decoded using: ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -vf tmix=frames=36:weights="1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1" output.mp4 ffmpeg -i output.mp4 -vf "curves=all='0/0 0.05/1 1/1'" bright.mp4 We need to use the second command, as frame averaging in ffmpeg lowers luminosity. There's probably a way to cleverly get aroun…

A couple of quick optimizations: - If weights are repeated, you only need to specify the last unique one - You can chain filters using a comma - You can drop that last point in the curve ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -vf tmix=frames=36:weights="1",curves=all='0/0 0.05/1' output.mp4

> You can chain filters using a comma

Haha, I knew there was some way of doing this, but I couldn't remember how (tried semicolons which didn't work), thanks :)

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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For those that are curious, these are the messages: https://imgur.com/a/y0mXbAk Decoded using: ffmpeg -i input.mp4 -vf tmix=frames=36:weights="1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1" output.mp4 ffmpeg -i output.mp4 -vf "curves=all='0/0 0.05/1 1/1'" bright.mp4 We need to use the second command, as frame averaging in ffmpeg lowers luminosity. There's probably a way to cleverly get aroun…

Mad respect for your solution, but how do you get to this point where you can look at a thing and say “oh yeah, it’s XYZ”?

> how do you get to this point where you can look at a thing and say “oh yeah, it’s XYZ”?

What do you mean exactly?

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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people who have experienced what they refer to as "eternity", "multiple life times", "thousands of years", etc. They didn't "experience an eternity". They experienced an emotional feeling they likened to an eternity. This is the difference between your computer running a program for a thousand years and you changing the date settings. These people did not go through an eternity of perception, processing, and thought;…

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I'm not saying psychedelics can't make you perceive things an unaltered brain cannot. I'm just saying they can't fit tens of thousands of times as much thought into the same amount of time, just that they can make you believe you did, and that experiencing a sense of deep time is not the same thing as experiencing deep time itself. I can dream or be drugged or hypnotized or otherwise fooled into believing I had sex with a supermodel. That doesn't mean I know what it's actually like. The experience I've had and the experience I believe I've had are not the same thing.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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> ime/imo the main reason why it's so uncommon is because you have to go _comically_ far over your tolerance to hit the truly-psychedelic effects, and, as you said, it can be deeply uncomfortable. I tried taking something like 50mg THC once and it just made me feel like my head was imploding for around five hours. No visuals or altered thoughts or anything. Made me conclude that my brain probably just isn't receptive…

That's a pretty high dose if you aren't a regular user. Most of my friends who are very casual with it usually go for 10mg max. Altered visuals on cannabis are very rare, its almost entirely a psychological effect in my experience. As far as altered thoughts - did you think something was physically wrong with you? That paranoia 100% counts

> That's a pretty high dose if you aren't a regular user.

Exactly. The goal was to take a really high dose, to see if it would do anything—I was getting impatient tapering up with 2.5mg (or so) edibles, so I bought some tincture, did some calculations, and took 50 milligrams' worth. (Just drank it directly from a dropper.)

Now that I've tried such a high dose and not detected any desirable effects, I can basically rule out THC completely as a recreational drug. And it didn't require being uncomfortable more than a single time; pretty efficient if you ask me.

> Altered visuals on cannabis are very rare, its almost entirely a psychological effect in my experience.

"Visuals" includes imagination / mind's eye, but I also got no effect there whatsoever. I mentioned it because I know someone who claims that THC edibles added more "depth" to their imagination, almost like they could see it more clearly when they closed their eyes. I had no such effect. (The effects of THC seem to differ for every brain, depending on the location of the cannabinoid receptors or something?)

> As far as altered thoughts - did you think something was physically wrong with you? That paranoia 100% counts

Not really. I have dysphoria normally though, so I probably wouldn't be able to tell if it was coming from the THC.

I did experience very strong dissociation, since THC is a dissociative, but I already have a dissociative disorder, so that's not very exciting or compelling. (I didn't know how to recognize the feeling of dissociation until I tried THC, though, so I will give it credit for teaching me what that feels like.)

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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> ime/imo the main reason why it's so uncommon is because you have to go _comically_ far over your tolerance to hit the truly-psychedelic effects, and, as you said, it can be deeply uncomfortable. I tried taking something like 50mg THC once and it just made me feel like my head was imploding for around five hours. No visuals or altered thoughts or anything. Made me conclude that my brain probably just isn't receptive…

A shot in the dark, here, but it does have an effect on blood pressure, so it's probably a bit of that, and the increase in general sensitivity you experienced. Pretty normal. Some strains are even known for their "headband" effects (at maybe more pleasant intensities)

It could be blood pressure, yeah. I've only really also tried LSD recreationally, but it creates a similar head feeling (though much less dysphoric). It's probably caused by blood flow to the brain, specifically, due to the drugs being psychoactive.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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That's a subjective interpretation, and I say that even as someone who believes in objective reality. There's no telling what time perception is "correct" or "real". It is actually within the realm of possibility that they did experience an eternity-scale (but sub-infinite, natch) amount of experiences.

> There's no telling what time perception is "correct" or "real". Perception is always, always false, the same way that our internal reality is imperfect. The only way to trust perception is to go through repeatable experiment and see that results conforms to prediction, eg. science. Science is the only and sole way to determine our shared reality, anything else is literally lucky heuristics, including the behavior o…

How would you design an experiment to tell whether a perception of love is to be trusted or not?

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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People have life changing epiphanies without psychedelics all the time though, and people (me) take psychedelics without having them. So yeah, GP could have been due for one.

> all the time Humans do all the time. A person does very seldomly.

yes, but mostly without psychedelics.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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post #77

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That's a subjective interpretation, and I say that even as someone who believes in objective reality. There's no telling what time perception is "correct" or "real". It is actually within the realm of possibility that they did experience an eternity-scale (but sub-infinite, natch) amount of experiences.

That's a subjective interpretation, and I say that even as someone who believes in objective reality. Nonsense. Where's the thousand years of creative output? If my mind existed for a thousand years I'd be immediately filing patents and writing papers based off all the things I came up with during my eternity of thought . Further, if there was a simple chemical way to accelerate actual brain processing thousands of t…

I think the relevant questions are how are the brain measures time and of what the brain is processing.

What if the only thing it's capable of doing is perceiving the passage of time? If the biological clock is the only measure of perceived time, then it feels like more time is elapsing. If the brain measures and feels time as sand slowly falling into a bucket, what happens when you dump a truckload of sand into the bucket? That doesn't mean that you're necessarily capable of doing more work in that time, but maybe you still feel the additional passage of time.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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All the people in this thread who decoded it used long exposure or faster playback. Using the latter, for me, it starts to become readable at 2.5x and is essentially a clear static image at 4x. (I had to download the video and play it back using VLC.) Which for me, makes this claim a bit absurd: > At a theoretical level, this confirmation is significant because it is the first clear demonstration of a real perceptual…

I downloaded and played back at higher speeds as well after your suggestion. Using the same technique to view the 3D image in those "posters from the 90s", I could make out the messages too.

Persistence of vision type of tricks/effects have always been a favorite of mine. Even without LSD, I still enjoy finding ways to "trip" the mind. I have a ceiling fan with dark tone blades hanging from a white ceiling. When laying down in bed, I can stare at the ceiling fan for a couple of seconds, and then when I close my eyes, I still "see" the ceiling fan but in a negative view where the ceiling is now dark and the blades are light color. Cheap LEDs and fluorescent lights with cheap ballasts also cause me to see weird flickering when using averted vision or by turning my head back and forth in a rapid manner.

Maybe it's because of the training my brain has undergone from using psychedelics, but I've tried to get other people that have never used psychedelics to see the same things without success.

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