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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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belval wrote: post #61
yellow_lead wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about 4. A collection of shadows, mistakes, pilot fatigue, and instrument malfunction?

Not really into UFOs myself, but that's not what the article (the whistleblower) is claiming: > “We are not talking about prosaic origins or identities,” Grusch said. “The material includes intact and partially intact vehicles.” There is a difference between claiming to have seen the modern equivalent of the Loch Ness monster and saying "they have its body in a hangar".

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by erdos4d »

thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

There is the fact that Grusch gave sworn testimony to congress on it, he's going to prison for perjury if he's lying. Doesn't prove it, but it's more than just saying it in an interview.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Eji1700 »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

You’re missing 4, which is eye witnesses are reading instruments wrong.

“Yes I saw it move impossible in the camera”

“Yep you’ve got a speck on your camera. “

This stuff happens all the time mixed with “yeah crazy visual stuff happens”

When the alternative is that an unfathomable amount of energy was used to cross a mind boggling amount of space, you need a very bullet proof argument

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Post by DoreenMichele »

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #69
DoreenMichele wrote: post #45

I'm trying to think of any sci-fi stories where the aliens are lost tourists or similar. They are usually presumed to be scientists or government representatives checking out Earth and/or humankind. Maybe ET? -- I don't think that's explained? It's been a lot of years since I saw it. The reality is that the government is interested in unexplained phenomenon primarily for security reasons. That statement does not say…

Like Twoflower from the other side of the Discworld, an "in sewer ants" agent on vacation, visiting a medieval society. Zogg from Betelgeuse? Invader Zim?

I'm not familiar with those. Thanks.

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Post by ancientworldnow »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #45

I'm trying to think of any sci-fi stories where the aliens are lost tourists or similar. They are usually presumed to be scientists or government representatives checking out Earth and/or humankind. Maybe ET? -- I don't think that's explained? It's been a lot of years since I saw it. The reality is that the government is interested in unexplained phenomenon primarily for security reasons. That statement does not say…

Roadside Picnic, the inspiration behind Stalker, has aliens using Earth much like a family on a long drive might pull over for a scenic picnic site.

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Post by JPLeRouzic »

twic wrote: post #43
JPLeRouzic wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* From another univers (in multivers) * From deep in Oceans * From subterranean * From millions of years in past * From millions of years in future

* From hell (the Operation Trojan Horse theory) Functionally, all of these can be classified under the first option, "ET origin", because they all involve the revelation that some advanced intelligence unknown to the mass of humanity is active on Earth. But there is a fourth: * These craft are of natural origin Some very strange analogue of St Elmo's Fire which results in the formation of metallic spheres of unknown…

> "These craft are of natural origin. Some very strange analogue of St Elmo's Fire"

"we humans are property of some more highly evolved beings that live in a realm that we cannot see. Those invisible beings are immaterial: they are made of energy and Russell compares them to ball lightning."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinister_Barrier

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Post by petilon »

wizofaus wrote: post #55
petilon wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4. Time-traveling humans from the future. Don't discount that possibility!

I do. If it were possible we'd surely see them everywhere. Even if time travel was a one-way trip there's enough future billions of us that there'd be massive numbers with the sort of incurable fascination seth the past that they'd be motivated to travel back and see what it was like. Doesn't really seem any more or less likely than alien intelligence at any rate.

Time traveling humans is more likely for the following reason: It requires only one thing: worm hole or some other yet-to-be-invented mechanism for traveling to the past. For this to be alien intelligence, two things are required: First alien intelligence has to exist, and second, they too need a mechanism for speedy travel, to travel to another galaxy such that they can reach the destination within an individual alien's lifetime.

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Post by uhtred »

DrBazza wrote: post #48

Never in human history have we had so many high quality cameras in the hands of so many people. And still no pictures of ufos. Or Bigfoot. Or Nessie.

there are some pretty convincing videos and photos of UFOs out there, the problem is when they are good enough to look real people call them fakes.

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Post by krapp »

erdos4d wrote: post #72
thekevan wrote: post #51

Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…

There is the fact that Grusch gave sworn testimony to congress on it, he's going to prison for perjury if he's lying. Doesn't prove it, but it's more than just saying it in an interview.

People lie to Congress all the time without any consequences. That depends more on the political necessity of having a scapegoat/figure to tar and feather than the actual law.
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