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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by cozzyd »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

I'd say a combination of 2 and 3 is most likely, if it's not just a complete fabrication/mirage/misunderstanding (which is maybe even more likely...)

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Post by nso »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

4. Dust, misidentifications, radar ghosts. David Grunch is a liar.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

gumballindie wrote: post #4

Dont get my hopes high. I have the feeling it will be a disappointment. Also why would aliens only visit the us? Surely other countries would be in possession of alien tech if the us was.

There's sightings all over, other countries are similarly secretive/in the dark.

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Post by v0idzer0 »

yellow_lead wrote: post #19
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

What about 4. A collection of shadows, mistakes, pilot fatigue, and instrument malfunction?

Too coincidental for pilot fatigue/shadows AND instrument malfunction to always happen at the same time in all of these cases. There are hundreds of reported instances in the past few years. This is simply not a serious explanation.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ben_w »

thedangler wrote: post #9

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

> Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power.

If free energy had that effect, electricity prices wouldn't sometimes go negative.

Also, why would instant travel (at what resource cost?) be any worse than e.g. telepresence robots for humans and just-in-time delivery for goods?

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Post by TrainedMonkey »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

Probably a combination of 2 & 3 along with weird natural phenomena + the fact that human brains run on error prone wetware, are full of hacks, and make shit up all the time...

In short, given prevalence of aliens in popular culture + brains being predictive machines + existence of things that are hard to explain = it would be far more surprising if there weren't people claiming aliens.

Note 1: actual aliens would be really exciting, but Occam's Razor...

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Post by v0idzer0 »

gumballindie wrote: post #4

Dont get my hopes high. I have the feeling it will be a disappointment. Also why would aliens only visit the us? Surely other countries would be in possession of alien tech if the us was.

The article states they happen all over the world and the whistleblower suggests other nations do have them. Give it a read!

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mywittyname »

thedangler wrote: post #9

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

I would think the "wealthy elites" would be dying to get their hands on the tech so they can turn it into a product that generates even more wealth.

Market forces are stronger than government forces.

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Post by ben_w »

krapp wrote: post #13
jossclimb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's for the same reason when you find yourself being forced to enter a 'state' on a website address form , yet you're not from the US.

Countries besides the US also have states.

My old country had several smaller countries nested inside it, but no states.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by devwastaken »

thedangler wrote: post #9

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

Free energy is not real, you've been watching too much conspiracy material designed by said elites.
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