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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by chasd00 »

ben_w wrote: post #25
thedangler wrote: post #9

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

> Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. If free energy had that effect, electricity prices wouldn't sometimes go negative. Also, why would instant travel (at what resource cost?) be any worse than e.g. telepresence robots for humans and just-in-time delivery for goods?

Well, you could “instant travel” an IED into your political adversary’s bedroom. That would be pretty bad.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by dogman144 »

ben_w wrote: post #25
thedangler wrote: post #9

The fact of the matter is the implications if this is real. Which it probably is to a point. Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity.” ― Ben Rich CEO Lockheed Skunk Works

> Free energy devices and instant travel would decimate the economy that keeps the elite in power. If free energy had that effect, electricity prices wouldn't sometimes go negative. Also, why would instant travel (at what resource cost?) be any worse than e.g. telepresence robots for humans and just-in-time delivery for goods?

Because to phrase it in a certain way - the final 10 yards of power are exerted in meatspace.

You can video chat with dissidents around the world? Cool, the state can still kick in your door or shut off your ISP or shut off your cross-border financing at the ISP or..

You can travel to join those dissidents and come back as you please, wherever whenever? Where can the State able to enforce final power there? It’s much more limited.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by twic »

JPLeRouzic wrote: post #20
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

* From another univers (in multivers) * From deep in Oceans * From subterranean * From millions of years in past * From millions of years in future

* From hell (the Operation Trojan Horse theory)

Functionally, all of these can be classified under the first option, "ET origin", because they all involve the revelation that some advanced intelligence unknown to the mass of humanity is active on Earth.

But there is a fourth:

* These craft are of natural origin

Some very strange analogue of St Elmo's Fire which results in the formation of metallic spheres of unknown composition in the vicinity of jet fighters.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by wizofaus »

yellow_lead wrote: post #19
tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

What about 4. A collection of shadows, mistakes, pilot fatigue, and instrument malfunction?

I'd even suggest a good percentage of reports are either deliberate hoaxes themselves or genuine reports of hoaxes carried out by others. If not hoaxes, then deliberate misreporting to cover up worse truths. Ultimately almost any other such explanation is vastly more likely than advanced alien species having crossed the galaxies (undetected) to visit us only to crash land on our little ball of rock.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by DoreenMichele »

I'm trying to think of any sci-fi stories where the aliens are lost tourists or similar. They are usually presumed to be scientists or government representatives checking out Earth and/or humankind.

Maybe ET? -- I don't think that's explained? It's been a lot of years since I saw it.

The reality is that the government is interested in unexplained phenomenon primarily for security reasons. That statement does not say nor imply "Belief in aliens means you're a nutter!" I just get really tired of people acting like "They study this stuff because they know there really are aliens visiting Earth!"

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by krapp »

ben_w wrote: post #29
krapp wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countries besides the US also have states.

My old country had several smaller countries nested inside it, but no states.

Countries with states:

    Australia
    Austria
    Brazil
    Germany
    India
    Malaysia
    Mexico
    Micronesia
    Myanmar
    New Zealand
    Nigeria
    Palau
    South Sudan

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by DrBazza »

gumballindie wrote: post #4

Dont get my hopes high. I have the feeling it will be a disappointment. Also why would aliens only visit the us? Surely other countries would be in possession of alien tech if the us was.

Technology to fly light years. But not the technology to land on earth without crashing.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by kipchak »

tmn wrote: post #15

I find this subject fascinating. As the article states, Navy pilots are on record as eye witnesses for this stuff, along with the various radar feeds, etc. I'm curious what HN thinks of the following: There are 3 comprehensive possibilities (correct me if you think differently): 1. These crafts are ET origin 2. These crafts are human origin (secrete military tech or similar) 3. This is a psyop Due to the supposed fee…

It could also be some combination of the three, for example a craft that is human origin but derived from ET bits being presented in a pysop manner for some reason. The Navy's claimed operable AGRAV/room temperature superconductor patents and Salvadore Pais[1] add another layer of huh to the whole thing.

[1]https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29232/navys-advanced-a...

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