So: 1. What side does this help? 2. How does this action help that side?
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The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
That doesn't give a blank check to do whatever you want without criticism. And if previous actions justify later actions then the US shouldn't have meddled in 2014. Thus "no need" to blame Russia, the US is responsible. In reality, things are much more nuanced than that logic.
Interesting question. How badly does someone have to behave before you feel you have a moral blank cheque in stopping them. I think starting a war counts.
> How badly does someone have to behave before you feel you have a moral blank cheque in stopping them.
No such point? I don't think you processed what a "moral blank cheque" means.
Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
#153Looks historically unprecedented (?). This is a run-of-the-river type dam (relatively small elevation drop between upstream and downstream), but one with an enormous reservoir, with a volume (1.8e10 m³ nominal) larger than e.g. Banqiao (4.9e8 m³) or Mosul (1.1e10 m³). It is/was #48 on Wikipedia's ranking of world's largest water reservoirs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakhovka_Hydroelectric_Power_P... https://en.wi…
unfortunately, no https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/02/second-world-w...
I think they meant the size of the res.
During WW2 blowing up dams did happen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chastise
Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
This "whataboutism" is perfectly valid, because it highlights double standards. Whataboutism isn't a blanket logical fallacy, it's applicable in certain scenarios.
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Since you seemed to appreciate logical fallacies, your argument starts with an appeal to emotion [0], then ends with ad hominem [1]. There's no point in your argument, nor in your personal attack, since nobody denied the war or mentioned anything about it in this thread of ours. Siding with the victim doesn't suddenly make your logic perfectly sound, and it doesn't make your peers side with the aggressors, either. Let's keep discussions civil, shall we?
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> Meanwhile you're sitting in your comfy chairs asking for 'credible sources' and wondering which side this benefits more. But it's precisely because we're sitting in a comfy chair that we have to ask for credible sources. "Fog of War" is a real thing and disinformation campaigns have been integral to this war. Most people here couldn't pinpoint this dam on a map and it's not immediately obvious that this isn't some…
The fact that the victim is not credible to you is already appaling.
Being the victim of an aggressor does not automatically make everything the Ukrainian government says true. That's bad logical thinking.
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it's a scorched earth tactic, in preparation to abandoning Crimea. Without this dam, Crimea will be without water for at least next 3 to 5 years after Ukraine recaptures it.
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> please stop doing drugs, they're surely harming you too much
Once Ukraine is within striking distance of the supply lines to Crimea how will Russia supply it?.
Perhaps via the bridge have already shown they have no issue blowing up?.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sad how a genocidal terrorist state can still exist in this day and age.
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This type of view pretends to be smart, but only until you personally get robbed or mistreated. Then such people quickly learn that sometimes there's black and white. Seen many times.
Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
#158Looks historically unprecedented (?). This is a run-of-the-river type dam (relatively small elevation drop between upstream and downstream), but one with an enormous reservoir, with a volume (1.8e10 m³ nominal) larger than e.g. Banqiao (4.9e8 m³) or Mosul (1.1e10 m³). It is/was #48 on Wikipedia's ranking of world's largest water reservoirs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakhovka_Hydroelectric_Power_P... https://en.wi…
Both dams and human conflict are pretty ancient. China alone has like 10 stories in their historical record like this.
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Crimea has survived without water for years previously. Russia may have determined that the expense of some aquaducts across the Kerch Strait is less than the expense they may incur from a successful Ukrainian crossing of the river. Or they may have determined they are likely to lose Crimea anyway and are salting the earth behind them. This is to say, there are plenty of reasons why they may feel motivated to do this…
They may not “need” the water for drinking, but it looks like it supports a lot of crop irrigation.
The canal was not working until last year. It's questionable how much agriculture has been revived in that time.
Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
#160I'm not a military expert, but it seems like this will benefit the Russians, who will now have time to reinforce and strengthen their positions in Kherson Oblast on the south side of the Dnipro River at a time when Ukraine has been gaining momentum, and possibly considering crossing for a counter-offensive. From a purely positional perspective, this is a big advantage for the Russians, who benefit from a more prolong…
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