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Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by Loquebantur »

lisasays wrote: post #34
Loquebantur wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence in real life is accumulative, not "holy grail style", like in the movies. You build a case step by step, systematically establishing a context. Here you already missed all the prior foundational work. On top of it you pretend to be able to judge the validity of "artifacts". That is mere posturing. You miss the slightly more important point of having been lied to your entire life by the government about funda…

Evidence in real life is accumulative, Right -- and so far there's an accumulation of precisely zero. On top of it you pretend to be able to judge the validity of "artifacts". I defer largely to (legitimate) experts, actually. But as of yet: there are no artifacts to evaluate .

Does the account nradov belong to you as well?

You not knowing about the already existing evidence is no proof of its inexistence.

What "legitimate experts" exactly are you referring to and where?

The whistleblower here is talking, among other important things, about a secret US military program attempting to reverse engineer non-human artifacts. Your demands here are out of context and nonsensical.

Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by lisasays »

Loquebantur wrote: post #25
lisasays wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not evidence. That's hearsay. Fragments, please. Or photos, or at least reasonably credible scientific reports describing these fragments. Or at least something resembling, you know -- first-hand evidence . Otherwise there's nothing to talk about here. Can't believe I have to explain this on HN.

"Hearsay" is a derogatory term used to disparage evidence. It is entirely unscientific, as evidence is not ignored solely based on the messenger. You have to thoroughly evaluate the context, regardless of your personal preconceptions. The guy has done a seven hour interview with Ross Coulthart, that is due to come out this week. He is reported to have such photos, documents, etc. This story is bigger than Watergate b…

Watergate had tapes, reams of documents - and riveting testimony under penalty of perjury. When we have that on the table in regard to this matter -- we'll have something to talk about.

As it stands now -- we have nothing.

Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by Timon3 »

lisasays wrote: post #36
Timon3 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course evidence would be much better (though I'm not sure what kind of evidence I would actually trust). But if the story is true, it makes sense that we're not seeing anything: given that they're talking about an arms race with other countries, the US would not want to show any details that adversaries might not already know. Since the US government looked over everything they wouldn't allow actual evidence to be…

So lack of evidence it itself -- a form of evidence? I'm not sure what to say to that.

How did you get that from what I wrote?

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Post by lisasays »

Loquebantur wrote: post #41
lisasays wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evidence in real life is accumulative, Right -- and so far there's an accumulation of precisely zero. On top of it you pretend to be able to judge the validity of "artifacts". I defer largely to (legitimate) experts, actually. But as of yet: there are no artifacts to evaluate .

Does the account nradov belong to you as well? You not knowing about the already existing evidence is no proof of its inexistence. What "legitimate experts" exactly are you referring to and where? The whistleblower here is talking, among other important things, about a secret US military program attempting to reverse engineer non-human artifacts. Your demands here are out of context and nonsensical.

I might as well be the Queen of Romania as far as you're concerned.

And hey, you can believe whatever you want about this stuff. I really don't care. I do find most of the line of discussion here to be quite silly, though.

Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by Loquebantur »

PKop wrote: post #40
Loquebantur wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why on earth would the whistleblower have to be a scientist here? That's utter nonsense. This guy has worked exactly where it is necessary in order to get hold of the claimed information, in a faculty with the necessary clearances. Again, you are putting the cart before the horse by demanding "evidence" of some mystical quality, while entirely ignoring the information that is actually presented.

He could simply be lying, pushing a propaganda message of the state. Why would you without evidence believe he is being truthful whatsoever? There is geopolitical advantage to making the world think you have advanced weapons tech, or that it exists and has to be found somewhere.

I do not "believe" anything if I can help it.

Here, the guy has supporting testimony from a whole array of decorated people in important positions. The context checks out. To assume he was "lying" is what is preposterous.

You frame the events as if some noname-guy came up in a vacuum claiming incredible stuff. That is not at all what is happening. You not knowing about all that and not even recognizing that this circumstance is affecting your judgement is remarkable.

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Post by IAmGraydon »

blazespin wrote: post #27

Look, I'm as skeptical as anyone, but please watch your rebuttal. When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this? That in itself is 'extraordinary' evidence. Is this proof that life is out there? No, but if you're not updating your priors, you're not rational.

The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep it a secret.

As I'm sure all of you are aware, all of this is statistically improbable to the point that it can likely be safely considered to be untrue. If we're considering probabilities, I think it's far more likely that the US Government is running some kind of psychological operation.

Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by Loquebantur »

IAmGraydon wrote: post #47
blazespin wrote: post #27

Look, I'm as skeptical as anyone, but please watch your rebuttal. When has there ever been a senior official with a significant reputation coming out like this? That in itself is 'extraordinary' evidence. Is this proof that life is out there? No, but if you're not updating your priors, you're not rational.

The identity of the "whistleblower" doesn't change the fact that it is EXTREMELY unlikely that this has been claimed to have happened in multiple countries over multiple decades and yet there is not a single picture that doesn't look like it was taken with a potato. There is not a single sample of material. None of the craft has ever fallen into civilian hands. All of the involved governments have been able to keep i…

Nothing of what you claim there is true to begin with.

People encountering this topic have a weird tendency to take their own lack of knowledge as "proof" for inexistence of anything worthwhile.

You cannot claim to be an "expert"(in itself a term only referring to human knowledge) in something without actually having checked with other experts in the field.

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Post by RiceAndWater »

lisasays wrote: post #29
capableweb wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth remembering that if in 2010 you claimed that the US government was spying on everyone via everything, you'd be called a conspiracy-nut, we now know that it was true, what so many people were claiming before that. I agree that probably there needs to be more evidence than "trust me, I've done this for a long time" in order for us to assert there is extra-terrestrial intelligence. But, I wouldn't believe it's fal…

Worth remembering that if in 2010 you claimed that the US government was spying on everyone via everything, you'd be called a conspiracy-nut, we now know that it was true, what so many people were claiming before that. For one thing your assumption here just isn't true. You might have been called that in major media outlets -- but within the tech community it had been widely acknowledged (since the late 90s or so) th…

You might have been called that in major media outlets -- but within the tech community it had been widely acknowledged (since the late 90s or so) that such surveillance was most likely happening.

You realize how easily this point can be applied to UFO discourse, right?

Re: Intelligence Officials Say U.S. Has Retrieved Craft of Non-Human Origin

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Post by lisasays »

RiceAndWater wrote: post #49
lisasays wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worth remembering that if in 2010 you claimed that the US government was spying on everyone via everything, you'd be called a conspiracy-nut, we now know that it was true, what so many people were claiming before that. For one thing your assumption here just isn't true. You might have been called that in major media outlets -- but within the tech community it had been widely acknowledged (since the late 90s or so) th…

You might have been called that in major media outlets -- but within the tech community it had been widely acknowledged (since the late 90s or so) that such surveillance was most likely happening. You realize how easily this point can be applied to UFO discourse, right?

Because as everyone knows the tech community has been acknowledging the probable existence of UFOs since the 90s, right?
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