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Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by CrampusDestrus »

wackget wrote: post #40
Borgz wrote: post #23

This is Arkose MatchKey. Hopefully, they will one day fix the UI covering the images. https://www.arkoselabs.com/arkose-matchkey/

The entire site is an exercise in delusion and marketing bullshit. I am absolutely convinced that the people selling this abomination of a product have either never used it themselves or are abjectly and wilfully misleading people. Some other choice quotes from the page: > Users have a bad association with difficult photo CAPTCHAs. > Instead of type what you hear (or alphanumerics) puzzles, we ask users simple questi…

A delightful cacophony of MIDI samples!

Either these guys are full of crap or they are absolute Schönberg aficionados

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by no_time »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #149

Not saying these are good, but it's been ~10 years and I still have no idea what I'm supposed to click when Google says "click the traffic lights." Just the light sections? What about the edge that takes up 10% of the adjoining box? What about the back or side of a different traffic light? I've tried them all, and my success rate doesn't noticeably change.

It's mostly trained on the answer of other humans. The best advice is literally "just be yourself, be human."

I had some fun poisoning the well on the older text based captchas by answering the first word correctly and putting "penis" where the last word would go. It always accepted it for some reason.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by sph »

x-complexity wrote: post #81
sph wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based? We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human. Who's actually working on this and has released papers I can study? Because all this AI nonsense will only accelerate us towards this total control…

> Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based? > We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human.' I'm extremely hesitant to give any State the ability to track an individual user's online activity that intensely. It's been extensively docum…

mCaptcha doesn't prove you're a human, it only proves you're not a spamming bot.

What I am asking for is a reverse Turing test. Because there will come a time that any single site will need you to prove you are a human to do any action, i.e. post a reply or create an account.

We need a better plan than CAPTCHA that takes minutes to solve every time someone needs that type of proof.

I know government ID schemes are awful for privacy, but that is the only decent solution I can think of. If we, the computer people, do not have a better solution, the government will solve it for us, big tech will adopt it, and we have opened the doors to total surveillance.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by no_time »

nebula8804 wrote: post #51
wackget wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know one service which has never stopped being reliable, easily available, high quality, and free to use? Piracy.

New free trade agreements will eventually come for the seedboxes.

I have been thinking about this too. The mind boggling speed increase of torrents over the last 15 years is mostly thanks to seedboxes. I'd wager a single peer fully saturating my 1Gbps fiber is not a residental connection.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by danpalmer »

x-complexity wrote: post #81
sph wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based? We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human. Who's actually working on this and has released papers I can study? Because all this AI nonsense will only accelerate us towards this total control…

> Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based? > We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human.' I'm extremely hesitant to give any State the ability to track an individual user's online activity that intensely. It's been extensively docum…

> I'm extremely hesitant to give any State the ability to track an individual user's online activity that intensely.

The U.K. government developed something called GOV.UK Verify for exactly this.

It’s sort of like OAuth via a stateless gateway I think. The promise is that the entity doing the auth doesn’t know what you’re using it for, and the entity receiving the auth doesn’t know how you proved auth and only gets the level of detail about you they asked for (and you agreed to).

For example, if a govt website wants to know whether I’m eligible for something based on my local council, I could authenticate with my bank, who would say where I live with only that granularity, not my full address, and my bank wouldn’t know what service I’m trying to use.

I’m not sure how much of this got put into practice but all the ideas were pretty smart and showed there are good approaches to this sort of stuff.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by sph »

troymc wrote: post #70
sph wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based? We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human. Who's actually working on this and has released papers I can study? Because all this AI nonsense will only accelerate us towards this total control…

You might start here: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=capt...

I have explicitly asked if there is something that is not CAPTCHA.

Because in the age of ever smarter AI do you really want to solve CAPTCHA more and more frequently, and not to show you're not a bot, but to prove you are human with a physical body borne from an ovum.

It is not crazy to think we will eventually need to prove this fact somehow.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by Semaphor »

x-complexity wrote: post #81
sph wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based? We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human. Who's actually working on this and has released papers I can study? Because all this AI nonsense will only accelerate us towards this total control…

> Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based? > We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human.' I'm extremely hesitant to give any State the ability to track an individual user's online activity that intensely. It's been extensively docum…

> I'm extremely hesitant to give any State the ability to track an individual user's online activity that intensely. It's been extensively documented that any State will fully utilize its size to violate an individual's personal privacy, with this often being done on a grand scale.

I think our (Germany) national IDs would theoretically have that option using certificates. I didn’t look too much into their online features as I never encountered anything supporting them, but my understanding is that I can prove some fact about myself (age, name, or simply being a citizen/resident), without either the government knowing I did it, nor the company knowing more than what I asked to show.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by patmcc »

Biganon wrote: post #134

Terrible UX aside, aren't these really... REALLY easy to solve for a bot? Sum the digits on the dies? 5 lines of openCV should do the trick Find which of 3 (three!) extracts is a repeating pattern?? Could this be any easier? This sounds actually easier for a machine than for a human being!

It's security through novelty. No one has bothered to write a bot solver for these yet. They will, soon enough, if it's protecting anything worthwhile, but that's some other engineers problem.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by bstchn »

I had the same Captcha system when I tried logging in to my Sony Playstation account as well a couple of days ago. Did eventually give up because it was basically unsolvable. Who would even want to implement a system like that?
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