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Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by clnq »

sho_hn wrote: post #17
ethanbond wrote: post #2

This is going to be one of the best parts of the new AI-ridden world: humans gradually getting locked out of and giving up on online services because the bots are more patient and more skilled at proving their humanness than humans are. Twitter’s new captchas are also pretty insane, though not quite this bad last I ran into them.

Inverse captcha: Fill out the tax form for the country from the connecting IP. If you can do it, you're an AI.

Inverse captchas or honeypots are a great idea. Just make a HTML input box with id=captcha, and hide it in some unconventional way in CSS so real users do not see it. If a bot was not deterred by seeing a captcha (a possibility), they would probably fill it. Whereas a real user won't.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

#42

Post by wackget »

cdme wrote: post #39

Time's a flat circle. We've reinvented cable and have it delivered via the internet. The quality of the content has fallen off now that folks have been roped into the platforms and everything's getting bundled back up so you have to subsidize garbage just to watch a show or two you like per platform.

You know one service which has never stopped being reliable, easily available, high quality, and free to use? Piracy.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by naet »

clnq wrote: post #41
sho_hn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inverse captcha: Fill out the tax form for the country from the connecting IP. If you can do it, you're an AI.

Inverse captchas or honeypots are a great idea. Just make a HTML input box with id=captcha, and hide it in some unconventional way in CSS so real users do not see it. If a bot was not deterred by seeing a captcha (a possibility), they would probably fill it. Whereas a real user won't.

This is an old trick. For example all MailChimp embed forms have dummy inputs that are visually hidden but might be filled in by bots.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by sph »

ethanbond wrote: post #2

This is going to be one of the best parts of the new AI-ridden world: humans gradually getting locked out of and giving up on online services because the bots are more patient and more skilled at proving their humanness than humans are. Twitter’s new captchas are also pretty insane, though not quite this bad last I ran into them.

Serious question: who has a decent plan to create proof-of-human systems that are not only CAPTCHA based?

We will soon need this, and I feel government will gladly present a solution: provide your ID when you connect to the Internet, and we will guarantee you are a human.

Who's actually working on this and has released papers I can study? Because all this AI nonsense will only accelerate us towards this total control of the Internet because the spam and AI bots have made it worse for everyone.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

#46

Post by sph »

naet wrote: post #43
clnq wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inverse captchas or honeypots are a great idea. Just make a HTML input box with id=captcha, and hide it in some unconventional way in CSS so real users do not see it. If a bot was not deterred by seeing a captcha (a possibility), they would probably fill it. Whereas a real user won't.

This is an old trick. For example all MailChimp embed forms have dummy inputs that are visually hidden but might be filled in by bots.

Maybe not visually hidden, but practically invisible to human: imagine a text box with color #fffffe on a white background. Visually impossible to discern for most humans on most screens, but for a machine #fffffe is totally distinct from #ffffff, and fully visible if display != none.

As AI becomes more intelligent, you can prove humanity by exploiting our weaknesses.

(Another idea. Have a random image on a page actually be a text box with an image background. You cannot activate it if you focus on it, with your mouse or touch, but a bot doesn't need focus to change input.value.)

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

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Post by valine »

paulgb wrote: post #20

So the audio captcha was just two one-of-three challenges? How does this slow an automated bot down, it could just guess repeatedly and get it right 1/9th of the time.

I’m also fairly certain an FFT of the audio would instantly uncover the repeating patterns. The repeating tones would show up as taller spikes.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

#48

Post by nebula8804 »

wrs wrote: post #16
jacurtis wrote: post #9

I experienced the HBO Max captchas just a few days ago. Everyone did since they launched a new app and made everyone switch to that and re-login. Some of the solutions are clearly just wrong. I have a PhD in Computer Science and if I am failing multiple basic addition problems, I assure you that it isn't me, the answers are wrong. I had to do the same audio puzzles and got the first audio puzzle wrong too, and I even…

I am baffled as to why they had to launch an entirely new app rather than just rename the existing one. Could Apple have made them change the bundle ID? It's like they're putting in deliberate obstacles for existing subscribers.

Elon Musk originally said this in an interview somewhere but it stuck with me: "The organizational inefficiencies and structure will manifest themselves in the end product."

We can probably gleam many insights about the people who made the app (how it works, how big the bundle is, how fast/slow etc.). I haven't used the app so I can't make any judgements about the organization behind it.

Re: HBO Max new Captcha system

#49

Post by jonathankoren »

jacurtis wrote: post #9

I experienced the HBO Max captchas just a few days ago. Everyone did since they launched a new app and made everyone switch to that and re-login. Some of the solutions are clearly just wrong. I have a PhD in Computer Science and if I am failing multiple basic addition problems, I assure you that it isn't me, the answers are wrong. I had to do the same audio puzzles and got the first audio puzzle wrong too, and I even…

The answers being wrong hits google captcha as well.

Having a computer tell me I had to call a mailbox a parking meter is right out of some sort of Forbin Project 1984 mashup.

https://imgur.com/a/lcYR8n0

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