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Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by FollowingTheDao »

rexarex wrote: post #91
yeeeloit wrote: post #30

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As someone who comes from an area with clean fresh water, that does not contain added fluoride, this is not a complex issue. It's simply not a question that comes up. People have good dental hygiene here. To my mind, yes sure you can over complicate the entire debate, but all of that is irrelevant in the face of these basic points: - Is there a chance that fluoride ingestion could be detrimental to human health? - Ca…

My understanding is that some water sources naturally contain fluoride anyhow so this isn’t a great comparison. From the sources I read awhile ago they started fluoride additives because it was known that certain areas like Texas had bad teeth.

It’s a circle that all people talk about in regards to caries is fluoride.

And literally, no one will talk about molybdenum. Maybe Texas has low levels of molybdenum?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/222941122016020...

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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xupybd wrote: post #136
ux-app wrote: post #110

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>That's one data point that I have observed. As with many things genetics plays a big part. I neglected going to the dentist for 15 years and take just ok care of my teeth (brush at least once per day, don't floss). I was expecting bad news, lots of cavities, but my teeth are perfect. After some plaque removal, not a single cavity. Asked the dentist about this, he shrugged and just said "genetics".

I'm sure they do, but the dentists here have told her that lack of fluoride is her problem. She is using a night time fluoride paste to help.

It might not be a fluoride, it might also be a lack of molybdenum.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/222941122016020...

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by rale00 »

tiberious726 wrote: post #128
alakep wrote: post #17

I don’t brush my teeth because I don’t want the residual fluoride there. It’s healthier to just slosh some vodka around to kill the germs (this wouldn’t work with kids, but hey they’ll lose their first teeth so who cares).

That will just dehydrate your mouth and kill all the bacteria which is supposed to be there. I joke about it with my neighbors when we have a boil water advisory, do not actually do it in real life.

Wait till you find out whats in mouthwash...

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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dosman33 wrote: post #124
vallismortis wrote: post #97

Twenty years ago, I moved from Michigan (a state that uses fluoride) to Mississippi (a state that doesn't use fluoride). My dentist at the time told me that I was going to end up with tooth decay if I stayed down there for more than a few years. Sure enough, five years later I moved back to Michigan and ended up with a cavity in an unusual place. My (new) dentist in Michigan was completely unsurprised. He said there…

That is funny. However Ill postulate this: Why wouldn't someone go to where the most interesting work is to be found though? You don't become a military doctor if you don't find it interesting stitching up bullet holes. And vice versa, you don't become a military doctor if you're not interested in working on the same.

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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by dr_dshiv »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #119

Adding fluoride to water has always seemed weird to me, since you can't control for how much water someone is drinking or account for different bodily factors like age and weight. I wonder why the European solution of adding it to salt isn't the default, especially given that iodized salt is already so popular and commonplace. As a general rule of thumb, I think it's interesting to scrutinize dosage recommendations a…

Omg, no wonder my teeth are getting worse after moving to Amsterdam. I drink a ton of water and use Maldon salt. I didn’t realize there wasn’t fluoride in the water. (All the Nutella isn’t helping either, but… ooh, maybe that’s a reasonable vector for Europeans)

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by ahazred8ta »

jeroenhd wrote: post #26
esperent wrote: post #21

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Because they added it to salt and toothpaste instead.

Fluoride in salt? I know they put iodine in table salt, but not fluoride.

It's available online, and stores in many countries carry it.

https://www.google.com/search?q=fluoridated+salt&tbm=shop

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by xupybd »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #152
xupybd wrote: post #136

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I'm sure they do, but the dentists here have told her that lack of fluoride is her problem. She is using a night time fluoride paste to help.

It might not be a fluoride, it might also be a lack of molybdenum. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/222941122016020...

Interesting, I didn't know about molybdenum.

Her home city of Hanoi doesn't have tap water that the locals like to drink. Even after boiling I think it can taste bad. So she grew up with heavily filtered water or bottled water. I would guess her diet was lacking in many trace minerals from this.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by osigurdson »

TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #119

Adding fluoride to water has always seemed weird to me, since you can't control for how much water someone is drinking or account for different bodily factors like age and weight. I wonder why the European solution of adding it to salt isn't the default, especially given that iodized salt is already so popular and commonplace. As a general rule of thumb, I think it's interesting to scrutinize dosage recommendations a…

I think the obvious answer is, we can’t actually tell one way or the other if it is a net benefit. However, humans can’t handle uncertainty so must be told in confident tones that the decision is the correct one. If anyone questions the established decision, they must be discredited.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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mgiampapa wrote: post #87
andrewmutz wrote: post #84

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It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids, without the knowledge of the individual, certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

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