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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by bandyaboot »

ricardobeat wrote: post #33
esperent wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they added it to salt and toothpaste instead.

I can tell you that salt is not fluoridated in the Netherlands (most people who care about cooking use pure sea salt anyway). As for toothpaste, almost every toothpaste anywhere in the world has it. There is evidence both ways, the original reports were that children's dental health improved after they stopped fluoridation in the 70s.

> There is evidence both ways, the original reports were that children's dental health improved after they stopped fluoridation in the 70s.

Has that effect been persistent? I would think the news of flouride being removed from the water would cause an increase in dental health diligence, but I would also be surprised if that effect didn’t wane over time.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by sunk1st »

jcfrei wrote: post #68
Blackthorn wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but the difference you can literally just see between the teeth of US vs EU should disabuse you of the notion that they "get by".

Not sure if you are trolling but are you alluding that the US population has healthier teeth? The "difference you see" is most likely just the much more widespread usage of bleaching in the US (which actually worsens the health of your teeth).

Preventative dental care in the US is a thing. Have you lived in Europe? It’s not really a thing in the EU.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by xk_id »

snapplebobapple wrote: post #61
xk_id wrote: post #42

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I’m not OP or american, but i can comment. >1,500ppm concentration of fluoride is prescription only (so you either pay for a pointless dentist visit or get it on the grey market), despite being safe and much more effective at remineralisation. There are also experimental ingredients such as nanohydroxyapatite and Novamin which are difficult to find on the american market due to the FDA

Novamin works wonders. It took me the last 30% of the way to not being sensitive to heat/cold/acid.i got about 20% there with just normal sensodyne toothpaste and another big chunk with vitamin k complex and vitamin d supplementation (this took about six months to be really noticeable). The order was dictated by me figuring out what i wanted to try and general availability in the case of novamin. So i cant really say…

For the record, the only clinical evidence about Novamin is very vague.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by andrewmutz »

yeeeloit wrote: post #30
epgui wrote: post #24

As a biochemist, this seems to be a very complex issue that has been unnecessarily politicized. What happened with this report is interesting in and of itself, but I would not draw any conclusions (or make any inferences) from this, frankly.

As someone who comes from an area with clean fresh water, that does not contain added fluoride, this is not a complex issue. It's simply not a question that comes up. People have good dental hygiene here. To my mind, yes sure you can over complicate the entire debate, but all of that is irrelevant in the face of these basic points: - Is there a chance that fluoride ingestion could be detrimental to human health? - Ca…

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Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by pedalpete »

jcfrei wrote: post #68
Blackthorn wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry but the difference you can literally just see between the teeth of US vs EU should disabuse you of the notion that they "get by".

Not sure if you are trolling but are you alluding that the US population has healthier teeth? The "difference you see" is most likely just the much more widespread usage of bleaching in the US (which actually worsens the health of your teeth).

Bleaching, braces, veneers, and genetics.

I have no idea if there is a genetic difference in the US, but according to Wikipedia, it seems modern toothpaste first took hold in America.

Colgate, a US company, introduced modern toothpaste in 1873. Later, toothpaste that had been developed by researchers in the UK and US, did not find commercial success in the UK, and they focused on the US where it took off.

This suggests that the US were more interested in the appearance of their teeth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothpaste#:~:text=Pre%2Dmixed....

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by pessimizer »

Blackthorn wrote: post #73
pessimizer wrote: post #55

There are significant lobbies now trying to put both statins and lithium into the tap water.

Statins on a wide scale could make for the single greatest life expectancy increase we could get anywhere...that would be awesome.

I hear that every few years from press releases written by people who sell statins.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by mgiampapa »

andrewmutz wrote: post #84
yeeeloit wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who comes from an area with clean fresh water, that does not contain added fluoride, this is not a complex issue. It's simply not a question that comes up. People have good dental hygiene here. To my mind, yes sure you can over complicate the entire debate, but all of that is irrelevant in the face of these basic points: - Is there a chance that fluoride ingestion could be detrimental to human health? - Ca…

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It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids, without the knowledge of the individual, certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by dmbche »

mc32 wrote: post #31
esperent wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they added it to salt and toothpaste instead.

Toothpaste, for the most part, isn't swallowed. Salt, you can get any kind you want. I think this gives consumers more discretion/control over what they want to or do not want to ingest.

As an aside, your gums and tongue will absorb a lot - think about chewing tobacco, people putting cocaine on their gums, pills you leave under your tongue. This is also why resorts will tell you to brush your teeth with bottled water.

While it obviously absorbs less than eating any compound, it still absorbs quite a bit!

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by cardamomo »

Natsu wrote: post #75
koheripbal wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The harmful dose is many orders of magnitude higher than the concentration in tap water. Dose makes the poison. Literally any chemical in sufficient dose is poisonous

Tooth decay is caused by acid produced by bacteria. It's too bad we can't displace the bacteria themselves instead of working downstream from that.

There are oral probiotics available, which aim to do just this. I'm not sure if any clinical trials have investigated their efficacy, however.

Re: Health officials delayed report linking fluoride to brain harm

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Post by throwaway2990 »

alakep wrote: post #17

I don’t brush my teeth because I don’t want the residual fluoride there. It’s healthier to just slosh some vodka around to kill the germs (this wouldn’t work with kids, but hey they’ll lose their first teeth so who cares).

I’m very much anti fluoride in drinking water. And did not buy fluoride tooth paste for my kids until they learned to spit.

But 1) kids brush teeth to form a healthy habit, and protect their gums. Kids who do not brush teeth often develop gum disease which can cause tooth loss in the future as adults.

2) residual fluoride isn’t anything to worry about. Just spit the toothpaste out. If you’re super worried about fluoride then look for calcium fluoride toothpaste which is not poisonous.

3) sloshing vodka or whiskey around doesn’t remove plague from your teeth and you will suffer tooth decay regardless.

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