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Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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"If I wanted a decent nice girl to take home to mama I wouldn't be using okcupid or match.com or eharmony or even craigslist." Do you realize that these sights encompass 10s of millions of people? What is your bar for "decent"? I can only assume you would choose to use http://flowmingle.com instead.

"sights". Are we all going for the "Most grammar/spelling mistakes in a comments page" world record here?

Today's bizzaro day.

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

#52
While you may not agree with the writer's suggestions, he was largely respectful. You were sarcastic, and made fun of his grammar. I'm sure he feels great reading your response on your blog.

Here's a question we should all ask ourselves: How could we have handled it better?

I would have written back to the fellow, thanking him for his interest. At least your karma points in the real world (you know, the ones that are even more important than those on HN) would do well.

Next, given that you haven't yet found a candidate, I'd either look to hire someone remotely, or hire a contractor to work on the most important stuff.

Good luck.

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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Maybe, but he sounds self-entitled. Those are the worst type of people. I don't like either of the attitudes in the post. I would never work for the poster and I would never hire the applicant.

If my potential employer has a problem with money being my motivation, scratch my name from the interview list. IF I really wanted to work for slave wages, there is a McDonalds on every street corner

Money for motivation and "slave wages" are two very different things.

And if you live in the States, you're more than likely living like a King (compared to people in poor countries).

Hell, I worked solely for money at my first job out of college, but I would have never told them that before even interviewing.

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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Good catch. Perhaps this article should be retitled, "How to Not Show Class when you are Recruiting."

Perhaps, or possibly "How discourage self-entitled leeches from applying to your company".

You don't seem to like this "self-entitlement" thing. Don't you think it's also a little "self-entitled" to expect great people to be excited about the opportunity to work for you, without caring about the so-so salary?

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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From looking at their job posting and their website it sure gave me a good impression of how great they are... Wait, no, see they (I'm assuming it's you now) didn't. They didn't explain why it is they offer something beyond money as an incentive to work for them. They don't talk about their passion, office situation, their work ethic, or what it is they're working on. The job posting itself was just bland and generic…

Ha. Everyone here encourages thinking that differs from ours. I suppose we are generic in the job posting (I really appreciate the feedback) and again, as I stated, we're trying to find someone who is looking for more than just money, someone looking for place to work where they fit in and feel at home. If you were trying to meet a decent girl with values, would you go around waving $100 bills and wearing diamond pen…

Something you have to understand: as a startup without a product, without users, and without revenue, your bargaining position sucks. It's incredibly easy to start a company; it's incredibly difficult to finish one successfully. If you're Google or Twitter or are funded by YC, you can attract applicants based on the strength of the opportunity. If not, you don't have much to offer besides the money.

Put yourself in a candidate's shoes and ask yourself: what do you have to offer that they can't get on their own? What's to stop a candidate from taking your idea and competing with you?

A pre-traction startup is riskier for employees than it is for founders. If it fails, they get to put "Software Engineer at Company Nobody Has Heard Of" on their resume, while you at least have a founder title. They probably will learn fewer skills. And they don't get the feeling of being in control of their own destiny, because you're calling the shots.

The only thing they do get is a salary, as well as not having the responsibility for success or failure fall on their shoulders. But here you say you want someone who's not really interested in the money, and you want them to take a passionate, active role in the startup. If they don't care about the salary, and the responsibility falls upon their shoulders anyways, why should they work for you instead of starting their own startup?

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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About us: We are LeadLog, a small startup company in South Florida building lead management software. We're two biz dev guys, a ux guru and a hacker with solid business experience. Hmm...something seems wrong about this equation...

Yeah. They're going to sink like a lead log.

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

#58
There's an attitude of putting people down going round HN.

The applicant in the story put down the other applicants. LeadLog put down him, publicly. And now, HN is putting down auston. Everyone is criticising everyone else's spelling and grammar - and therefore becoming more self-conscious of their own.

If you are truly capable of creating value for others, putting others down is pointless for you. But it's worse: focusing on other's mistakes can and will erode your ability to create value for others. You will end as a destroyer of value.

Pride comes before a fall, and you won't be the first. Not by a long way.

s/Dashboard/LeadLog

Re: How (not) to get a job at a startup...

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I lived in south Florida for years before coming out to San Francisco. Working in IT down there was horrible. I will guarantee they aren't paying more than $35k-$40k per year. Here in SF I make nearly 3x as much as before doing the job they are advertising.

We're paying market: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=360681

Yeah, thanks for proving my point. All of you people in South Florida need to sink into the ocean. I was the IT admin for a mid-sized real estate company for 2 years and while I liked my job and loved the people I worked for, the pay was crap. I looked for 6 months for a job after leaving there and jobs like yours were the only ones that kept popping up. You expect to get the most skilled person in the world, yet only want to pay them in packing peanuts. There's a reason that skilled people like me(I consider myself skilled) leave South Florida, and its because of people like you.
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