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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Navigators have been in cars two decades at this point.

And they are universally poorer quality than the default navigation apps on phones.

They do their job just fine though.

If the argument for connecting phones to cars is navigation I don't feel it is the strongest one.

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My point was Elon has an incredible track record of success which follows a formula of overhype, delays, and eventual achievement if not overachievement. You seem to have a more personal vendetta against him, I’m just looking at his insane success and envying hype/ management style

SpaceX has been quite successful, though it also came really close to failing. Solar city actually failed as an independent company. Boring company is floundering. Twitter is having massive issues. I think he’s done more harm to Tesla after taking it over from the original founders than been a benefit. It’s unclear but he definitely took massive risks which were unnecessary and has many serious failures such as how l…

The boring company was always hype… we’ve known how to use TBMs to drill tunnels for years

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People are just not reporting them. My model 3 does something scary at least a few times a month but I've never reported any.

> My model 3 does something scary at least a few times a month but I've never reported any. Why not? The barrier of entry is pressing a button and then describing, in voice, what just happened.

The privacy violation of doing so and communicating who the hell knows what metadata to a man-child who will happily disclose it if he feels like it one day?

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This reads like pre-Covid auto industry logic. And the car market right now is so bizarre right now that if any of what you wrote still applies it's by sheer chance. There aren't even any base-level trims available from most of the big manufacturers to offer to the "99% of people." Less than two months ago I was looking to see if I could find a manual Nissan Versa 2023 for my uncle. It's basically the paper-cup-and-s…

So you don't want remote locking, a reversing camera, automatic brakeforce distribution, antilock braking, airbags, or system diagnostics? I do. (Let alone the fancy stuff like electronic stability control, blind spot warning, autonomous emergency braking, autodipping headlights, lane keeping, dynamic cruise control, auto-parking, or attention monitoring? Those'd be nice too, probably.) Things like heated steering wh…

None of those features require an internet connection.

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Not touch screens, which have been rejected by most of the market. Tech like adaptive cruise control, collision warnings & automatic breaking, reversing cameras, lane assist, automatic parking, blindspot detection, spotify playlists. I've got a 25 year fully manual tin can with an engine just perfect for puttering around the local area at the 50km/h speed limit. I'm looking for another car with modern safety features…

You put out a low tech EV that does basically nothing but accelerate for 200k miles for 15k and you bet your ass people would buy it in droves.

Would they? Or is it like the small phone segment, where the a very vocal group of hardcore enthusiasts, but when it comes to market size, it turns out theres just not really enough of us out there to sustain the segment.

Cars aren't phones, and maybe a $15k car would sell well in this economy, but with way higher margins on a slightly better car at $40k, why would any automaker willingly give up a big pile of profit?

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> You should ... allow at least a two-second gap between you and the vehicle in front on high-speed roads and in tunnels where visibility is reduced. The gap should be at least doubled on wet roads and up to ten times greater on icy roads Highway code rule 126[0] says 2? [0] https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/general-rules-t...

Oh. I stand corrected.

I mean, I think 3 is better, especially at high speeds. 2 is just the minimum.

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People are just not reporting them. My model 3 does something scary at least a few times a month but I've never reported any.

> My model 3 does something scary at least a few times a month but I've never reported any. Why not? The barrier of entry is pressing a button and then describing, in voice, what just happened.

> Why not?

Why?

No, seriously. Why?

Most people are (correctly) disillusioned enough to understand not to use a company-provided feedback funnel.

It is possible that this one is different. Doesn't change the fact the correct first impression is to never use the feature.

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Would you have a link to that? I'd be interested to look. As a side note, I've never heard of confusing the pedals as an issue for ANY car, so if Telsa's get people to confuse them enough to bring them to court, it's probably bad design. Edit: The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration estimates 16,000 accidents per year in the United States occur when drivers intend to apply the brake but mistakenly apply…

It was famously a problem for Audi in the 1980’s and almost destroyed the brand. I thought everyone had heard of that. But it is one of the most common if not the most common cause of unintended acceleration in any car. I’ve even had it happen to me one time. The typical scenario is that you’re traveling at low (“creep”) speed with your foot on (but not pressing) the gas pedal. You think your foot is on the brake, so…

This is why I brake with my left foot and go with my right. Cuts the latency and confusion to a fraction.

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The number of accident might be lower (no idea) but still, If I'm responsible of killing/injuring someone with my car, I'll pay the consequences. If Tesla is responsible of killing/injuring someone with their car (when they drive through the autopilot), they must also pay the price (probably damages or jail depending of the situation).

That is not how the real world works. If a car kills someone (e.g. it explodes, or burns down, or brakes fail) but the manufacturer took all legally required precautions & followed all the rules & regulations, then they're not legally on the hook. It was "an accident".

The fact that it's an accident doesn't remove the liability.

If a human driver fail to brake somehow (like they have a bad reflex and push the wrong pedal), they might have followed all the rules and regulations, it might be "an accident", but they will still be liable for dammages they cause.

I'm not sure why it should be any different for a software bug in the autopilot for example.

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> My model 3 does something scary at least a few times a month but I've never reported any. Why not? The barrier of entry is pressing a button and then describing, in voice, what just happened.

The privacy violation of doing so and communicating who the hell knows what metadata to a man-child who will happily disclose it if he feels like it one day?

That's a fair point.

Not least because this is why I wouldn't consider buying a Tesla. It feels too much like dealing with software: it isn't your car. It is Teslas car. And maybe paying a bunch of money for it means you can drive it, but sometimes, when you hit some corner case, it doesn't.

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