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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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You shouldn't tail any car in general. There's a lot more 'real' braking out there than 'phantom' braking.

in most commutes, if your tailing distance is too much, someone will else will come in front of you.

Tell me you're a bad driver without telling me you're a bad driver.

You need to not care about that, and you're actually supposed to let people change lanes into your lane. You're getting into a mental competition with other drivers and sacrificing the safety of yourself and everyone around you.

And if anyone believes that longer following distance causes more traffic, that is also false and the reverse is actually true. It is the poor reaction times of tailgaters that cause traffic slowdowns.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

I prefer the bus or a walk anyway, who wants to spend time on silly smelly cars anyway? it's so 1990's

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Because it sells the world's best selling car at a high margin? And is double the price of the Toyota Corolla it dethroned. https://electrek.co/2023/05/25/tesla-model-y-is-now-the-worl... If one gets news about Tesla only from HN then it does seem Tesla is ridiculous, because only negative stories tend to get upvoted and positive ones buried.

It's got the number 1 spot by a small margin and Toyota has spot 2, 3, 4 and 5 (https://www.motor1.com/news/669135/tesla-model-y-worlds-best...).

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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IMO Tesla would be better if they focused solely on making good EVs, rather than also trying to become the leader in self-driving. I get that they're trying to create a wider moat against their competitors, but if their self-driving software are found to have systematic failure modes in them as these internal docs seem to suggest, then that could very well do more harm to their reputation in the long run.

Eh, Tesla has already shown the world how to make commercially viable EVs. That's a torch the risk averse legacy auto manufacturers can take up, now that Tesla has done the derisking. Now someone needs to prove out self-driving, even at the risk of some short-term reputational harm. I don't think people realize the life-saving potential in solving this problem.

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Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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How different is this from any other similar sized companies behaviour? This site doesn't seem that impartial/unbiased. From a linked article on Tesla: > It’s also worth noting that the above email was sent after 2 a.m. Pacific, which isn’t specifically relevant to the faked video. But it does make it look like Musk is a loser with no friends or anything else to do other than work. Loser.

What's stopping you from clicking through to the German source and reading the English version of their piece?

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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When a manufacturer is selling millions of cars, I think it's better to judge their safety using statistics rather than some qualitative reasoning. Are Teslas measurably less safe than other cars? I.e. is the accident probability per km driven on a Tesla higher than on another car? I haven't seen any data suggesting that, but I'm happy to be corrected.

The number of accident might be lower (no idea) but still, If I'm responsible of killing/injuring someone with my car, I'll pay the consequences. If Tesla is responsible of killing/injuring someone with their car (when they drive through the autopilot), they must also pay the price (probably damages or jail depending of the situation).

That is not how the real world works.

If a car kills someone (e.g. it explodes, or burns down, or brakes fail) but the manufacturer took all legally required precautions & followed all the rules & regulations, then they're not legally on the hook. It was "an accident".

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Very simple, the market valuation is based on two things:

- Tesla's track record of rapid growth and their credible/plausible plan for growing volumes by about at least 10x And that's just cars. They have a few other rapidly growing business that are already billion dollar businesses. Some of which could outgrow their car market. Even when you consider the expected growth. It's only inflated if you don't believe they can do all of this. The reason the valuation is so high is that lots of investors seem to not agree with that.

- The underwhelming performance of essentially all their competitors; i.e. the next 5 manufacturers that you refer to. With the exception perhaps of Asian companies like BYD that have similar proven track records as Tesla to ship decent EV products in large volumes profitably. These new manufacturers other manufacturers are short term going to cause a lot of headaches for the (former, let's just call that out) top 5. The prospect of millions of dirt cheap good quality Chinese EVs undercutting cheap ICE cars has a high risk of decimating the market shares of the likes of Toyota, GM, etc. that are very dependent on sales of cheap, unremarkable ICE cars. They make most of their money selling products that are rapidly becoming a combination of obsolete, expensive, and undesirable.

Most of the former incumbents like GM, Ford, VW, Toyota, etc. of course have EV strategies of their own but they will need many years more before they match current production volumes and cost levels of their new competitors.

In short, they'll be struggling to catch up for years to come even under the most optimistic scenarios. The more pessimistic scenario is actually that a few of these companies might not survive the transition at all and that the remaining ones might find themselves vastly reduced in size. Tesla and several other new manufacturers certainly seem well positioned to continue to make life miserable for these companies for years to come. Whatever they do, Tesla et al. will be able to do it faster, better, cheaper, and in larger volumes for some time to come.

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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They're about to start an ad campaign. There is a video of the first TV ad floating around. So remains to be seen if it changes anything.

Therefore they scream in their advertising? It doesn't remain to be seen if claims about their existing advertising are nonsense. They are.

They spend all their ad budget for personal Musk propaganda, which is even more effective considering how the U.S. is very sensitive to the myth of the 'self made man who pulled up his own bootstraps' .

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Probably because the world is transitioning to EVs and they have a 5ish year head start over most other automakers. There’s a long list of technologies Tesla has already shipped that other car makers are just beginning to explore. - Structural batteries - The “Octovalve” heat pump - Mega casted car frames - Their custom ML SOC The TSLA market cap is debatable, but their lead is real.

Other car companies e.g. Lucid, BMW have better technology in other areas. And why would anyone bother with custom ML SOC when you can just partner with Nvidia like Rivian, Mercedes etc.

Because maybe there's some advantage to be had by reducing dependencies when you can afford to? And maybe they value SOC expertise, since they do other tech besides cars?

Re: Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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You shouldn't tail any car in general. There's a lot more 'real' braking out there than 'phantom' braking.

Humans in traffic are relatively easy to predict. They don’t just randomly brake for no reason.

I hear people talk about people brake checking all the time (whether they're the brake checkers or the person tailing). A buddy of mine was tailing a (non-Tesla) car a little too closely on his motorcycle and the driver deliberately brake-checked him and he wrecked. And that's just people deliberately driving erratically, never mind the people who are responding to debris, animals, people, etc darting into the road.
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