Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

Post by tbrownaw » Thu, May 25, 2023, 10:45 PM UTC

lagniappe wrote: post #218

lamontcg wrote: post #201

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Tell me you're a bad driver without telling me you're a bad driver. You need to not care about that, and you're actually supposed to let people change lanes into your lane. You're getting into a mental competition with other drivers and sacrificing the safety of yourself and everyone around you. And if anyone believes that longer following distance causes more traffic, that is also false and the reverse is actually t…

> Tell me you're a bad driver without telling me you're a bad driver. > You need to not care about that, and you're actually supposed to let people change lanes into your lane. You're getting into a mental competition with other drivers and sacrificing the safety of yourself and everyone around you. > And if anyone believes that longer following distance causes more traffic, that is also false and the reverse is actu…

Post by 1970-01-01 » Thu, May 25, 2023, 10:47 PM UTC

dmbche wrote: post #159

1970-01-01 wrote: post #78

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What's the name for that fallacy where we do not know what went right, and we pessimize to assume the worst? I.E. How many times did Tesla prevent a crash? Assume none?

Don't know that it's a fallacy, it's more that the question you ask is impossible to answer - it's impossible to have a number for how many crashes were prevented. But we do have a number for crashes caused by. So we work off of that - if Telsa want's to argue they are safer, I'd love for them to devise some way to prove it, but I can't see that happening.

Post by jjoonathan » Thu, May 25, 2023, 10:48 PM UTC

itsoktocry wrote: post #228

jjoonathan wrote: post #175

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I don't own one, but I watch a video on youtube every time one of these threads comes around and it seems to be pretty good these days. Your examples are bad. People do both of those things all the time.

> I watch a video on youtube every time... survivorship_bias_airplane.jpg Access to most of the latest versions of FSD were doled out on the basis of privilege. What do you think happened to people who post negative "reviews"?

Post by mattigames » Thu, May 25, 2023, 10:49 PM UTC

otterley wrote: post #131

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If I refuse to use a product because I think it's too dangerous, but I die anyway because of your use of the dangerous product, does my estate sue you personally for gross negligence, or must my estate sue the maker of the product? Naturally if my estate sues you personally, your defense would be that you didn't know the product was dangerous. Perhaps if the whistleblower's leak is widely publicized, that would weake…

In the U.S., product-liability law allows you to sue the product's manufacturer (and everyone else in its supply chain including retailer); you don't have to sue the driver under some sort of "negligent ownership" theory. (IAAL, but this is greatly simplified -- consult a licensed attorney.)

Post by the_pwner224 » Thu, May 25, 2023, 10:50 PM UTC

liendolucas wrote: post #196

advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

I'll go a bit further... Do we really need computers on four wheels? Can't we just have simple electric vehicles without all the high-tech? No distracting screens, no computer for other than just governing the electric engine, no fancy car locks, and so on. I don't understand why we need to put so much technology in a vehicle. Honestly, it seems to me that is absolutely unnecessary tech, ridiculous. I'd like to have…