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Whistleblower drops 100 GB of Tesla secrets to German news site

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Post by jjoonathan »

dmbche wrote: post #172
bsder wrote: post #157

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> As a side note, I've never heard of confusing the pedals as an issue for ANY car Then you haven't been paying attention around the Toyota acceleration scandal. Pedal confusion is remarkably common when you buy a new car/use a rental (your feet rely on muscle memory), and it's not uncommon in the elderly. Most of the Toyota unintended acceleration fits the statistical profile of pedal confusion in the elderly. Howev…

Oh wow! Thanks for the heads up. When skimming about Toyota, I'm getting unsafe floor mats and sticky pedals as the cause of acceleration, but maybe I'm not looking hard enough. The other commenter also brought up that it's a common issue. Guess I'm feeling less safe on the road then ever - and I'll get a manual to boot

I've definitely had a few instances (over a few decades of driving) when I lost confidence in my knowledge of which pedal was which. Rote knowledge is tricky that way. Fortunately, I was always able to safely test. I was never confidently incorrect, but I can see it from here. It's a scary thought.

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Post by virtualritz »

LelouBil wrote: post #154
throwaway894345 wrote: post #105

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Eh, Tesla has already shown the world how to make commercially viable EVs. That's a torch the risk averse legacy auto manufacturers can take up, now that Tesla has done the derisking. Now someone needs to prove out self-driving, even at the risk of some short-term reputational harm. I don't think people realize the life-saving potential in solving this problem.

> I don't think people realize the life-saving potential in solving this problem. They shouldn't be harming lives to pursue this.

Fair enough.

But if you think this line of reasoning through, cars should have never been admitted on the road in the first place.

The issue I see is lack of transparency. If the % of accidents that can be avoided is provably much higher than those caused by Tesla's self-driving tech, an informed argument could be made in favor or against.

But with Tesla withholding the information in the leak there is just FUD around the whole issue instead of facts.

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Post by Ingon »

pacetherace wrote: post #121
bottlepalm wrote: post #35

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You shouldn't tail any car in general. There's a lot more 'real' braking out there than 'phantom' braking.

in most commutes, if your tailing distance is too much, someone will else will come in front of you.

As others pointed out - let them. On average all lanes move the same, they might even move away once the lane stops moving. You'll have much worse time rearing a car then letting all those cars in.

I also keep additional distance in traffic to minimize slowdowns/stops, which ultimately actually improves/fixes the flow.

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Post by geraldwhen »

tudorw wrote: post #115
advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

I prefer the bus or a walk anyway, who wants to spend time on silly smelly cars anyway? it's so 1990's

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Post by jjulius »

buildbot wrote: post #45
bottlepalm wrote: post #35

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You shouldn't tail any car in general. There's a lot more 'real' braking out there than 'phantom' braking.

Sure, but an unexpected full ABS lock when you can see nothing in front of the tesla is going to be yard for most to react quickly too even at a decent distance. 10 second follow distances are only possible in most metros during very light traffic.

>10 second follow distances are only possible in most metros during very light traffic.

I've usually heard that it's three seconds. Even still, you control your follow distance. Even in heavy traffic, you can give yourself more space between you and the car in front of you than other people do. It's easy to do, and I've been able to do just that even in metro areas with heavy traffic.

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Post by ertian »

threeseed wrote: post #59
bottlepalm wrote: post #35

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You shouldn't tail any car in general. There's a lot more 'real' braking out there than 'phantom' braking.

Humans in traffic are relatively easy to predict. They don’t just randomly brake for no reason.

But sometimes there are legitimate reasons for a car to brake hard, which you'd never know from your position one car-length behind them.

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Post by plagiarist »

jjoonathan wrote: post #175
vgt wrote: post #166

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I am not sure I agree with your assessment. Last time I was in a FSD Tesla, it repeatedly tried to run red lights and didn't know how to merge lanes on a freeway...

I don't own one, but I watch a video on youtube every time one of these threads comes around and it seems to be pretty good these days. Your examples are bad. People do both of those things all the time.

This is delusional. "It's fine because I watched some videos and some irresponsible people often drive recklessly anyway."

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Post by lagniappe »

lamontcg wrote: post #201
pacetherace wrote: post #121

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in most commutes, if your tailing distance is too much, someone will else will come in front of you.

Tell me you're a bad driver without telling me you're a bad driver. You need to not care about that, and you're actually supposed to let people change lanes into your lane. You're getting into a mental competition with other drivers and sacrificing the safety of yourself and everyone around you. And if anyone believes that longer following distance causes more traffic, that is also false and the reverse is actually t…

> Tell me you're a bad driver without telling me you're a bad driver.

> You need to not care about that, and you're actually supposed to let people change lanes into your lane. You're getting into a mental competition with other drivers and sacrificing the safety of yourself and everyone around you.

> And if anyone believes that longer following distance causes more traffic, that is also false and the reverse is actually true. It is the poor reaction times of tailgaters that cause traffic slowdowns.

I think that what they're saying is the flow of cars in front of them keeps that distance between them and the 'next car' to a shorter undesirable distance as more cars fill that gap during traffic.

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Post by stonogo »

throwaway2214 wrote: post #133
advael wrote: post #6

Gatekeep, gaslight, girlboss The official policy to deprive customers and victims of information as much as possible is shocking from the standpoint of being flagrantly, cynically customer-hostile to the point of probable illegality, but it's right out of both Musk's normal playbook and that of his erstwhile colleagues at e.g. Paypal For me, cars cross a very key danger threshold, which I express like this: "I am tru…

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The drum on my washing machine is approved by Underwriters Laboratory and regulated by ADA requirements. The bridge I walk on was designed by a licensed professional engineer. Software is just about the only profession left with absolutely no accountability to anyone.

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Post by m463 »

abirch wrote: post #7

Unfortunate thing for Tesla is we have the Affective Fallacy where if we like Tesla we overweight its benefits and underweight its errors.

I think you can still try to be objective.

For example, I like tesla autopilot 1 (mobileye based) and found its behavior to be reasonable. I also know its limitations - it has only one camera - so I don't use it in edge-case scenarios.

I think model S display is good for turning settings on and off, but is bad for controlling any aspect of the car especially critical ones like headlights, climate control, door locks and more.

I think the newer model S/X cars are bad, replacing stalks with touch controls for the headlights, turn signals, horn and wipers. They get in the way of good driving.

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