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Post by science4sail »

1letterunixname wrote: post #37
b215826 wrote: post #7

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." -- H. Kissinger. It's sad this deplorable human being was given the Nobel Peace Prize.

It's still not too late to bring the blood-money profiteering war criminals Kissinger and Cheney before The Hague. While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. They should die in custody and disgrace while Snowden and Assange should be free.

> While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that.

Wouldn't that just result in the US invading the Netherlands to rescue them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr...

> This authorization led to the act being colloquially nicknamed "The Hague Invasion Act", as the act allows the President to order U.S. military action, such as an invasion of The Hague, where the ICC is located, to protect American officials and military personnel from prosecution or rescue them from custody

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Post by camillomiller »

g8oz wrote: post #59

This article is an excellent riposte to the nauseatingly worshipful interview with Kissinger that the Economist published this week. https://www.economist.com/briefing/2023/05/17/henry-kissinge...

As a journalist, I am disgusted by what the Economist has become. Or maybe was it always this low level boot-licking rag?

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Post by andyjohnson0 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #44
1letterunixname wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still not too late to bring the blood-money profiteering war criminals Kissinger and Cheney before The Hague. While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. They should die in custody and disgrace while Snowden and Assange should be free.

> It's still not too late to bring the blood-money profiteering war criminals Kissinger and Cheney before The Hague. While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. There's also the substantial problem that the war crimes (and crimes of aggression) that each is most clearly responsible for are not within ICC jurisdiction for geographical and/or temporal reasons. (Becauae the…

> Becauae the UK is and was at the time a Rome Statute party, the ICC did have investigate British potential violations in Iraq.

Some of those possible violations were no doubt awful, but as usual the national leadership layer of the winning sides was untouched. I still have hopes that Tony Blair will one day face the punishment he deserves.

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Post by throwaway6734 »

kornhole wrote: post #41

Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a war of colonialism and imperialism.

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Post by camillomiller »

msla wrote: post #51

So many people were wrong about Cambodia: https://globalist.yale.edu/in-the-magazine/glimpses/ghosts-o... > At the time, American scholars Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman argued that media claims of the Cambodian genocide were propaganda, designed to make the US look favorable in the ongoing Vietnam War. Swedish diplomat Gunnar Bergstrom dined with Pol Pot in Phnom Penh while the dictator’s cadres continued their geno…

So, let me understand: the mistake of a non-military intellectual who was not in a position of power at the time, and was proven wrong about his ideologically loaded perspective, is presented as an equivalent to the position of a high ranking official that physically commanded actions that killed thousands of innocent civilians?

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Post by mythrwy »

int_19h wrote: post #57
kornhole wrote: post #41

Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.

The war in Ukraine is an imperial war, instigated by another empire. So if you consider imperial wars to be horrible, supporting their victims is a good way to make amends, no?

It's an imperial war instigated by multiple parties. Not one party. And the Ukrainian people are paying for it in blood.

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Post by archagon »

mythrwy wrote: post #66
int_19h wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The war in Ukraine is an imperial war, instigated by another empire. So if you consider imperial wars to be horrible, supporting their victims is a good way to make amends, no?

It's an imperial war instigated by multiple parties. Not one party. And the Ukrainian people are paying for it in blood.

You might want to brush up on what the word "instigated" means.

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Post by emodendroket »

b215826 wrote: post #7

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." -- H. Kissinger. It's sad this deplorable human being was given the Nobel Peace Prize.

To be honest I'm not sure the megalomaniacs who pushed him aside are any better... in a way, better to deal with someone amoral who can be reasoned with than a true believer who thinks he's going to remake the Middle East in the image of America or whatever.

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Post by mythrwy »

archagon wrote: post #67
mythrwy wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an imperial war instigated by multiple parties. Not one party. And the Ukrainian people are paying for it in blood.

You might want to brush up on what the word "instigated" means.

I know what the word means. I also know history and have been following events there closely for over a decade. I am old. I watched the fall of the Soviet Union. I watched Serbia. I watched Georgia.

And what I say is true. There are multiple imperial instigators in this war. Russia is certainly one of them.

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