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Post by msla »

So many people were wrong about Cambodia:

https://globalist.yale.edu/in-the-magazine/glimpses/ghosts-o...

> At the time, American scholars Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman argued that media claims of the Cambodian genocide were propaganda, designed to make the US look favorable in the ongoing Vietnam War. Swedish diplomat Gunnar Bergstrom dined with Pol Pot in Phnom Penh while the dictator’s cadres continued their genocide. Global powers like the United States and China promoted pro-Khmer-Rouge resolutions in the United Nations after their removal from Cambodia. Ironically, academics, politicians, and foreigners were key Khmer Rouge targets for extermination.

PDF:

https://scholarcommons.scu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1...

> Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman’s 1977 article, “Distortions at Fourth Hand,” published in the left-leaning publication The Nation, exemplifies the perspective of the left in regards to Cambodia during the 1970s. Although Chomsky and Herman acknowledge that Cambodia was facing a time of extreme suffering, they criticize less ideologically driven publications like The New York Times, The Washington Post, and Time for reporting Khmer Rouge crimes for which “there is no independent confirmatory evidence.”12 Citing other liberal publications like The Economist, Chomsky and Herman declare that the evidence suggests, “Executions have numbered at most in the thousands.” They even go so far as to claim, “The ‘slaughter’ by the Khmer Rouge is a...New York Times creation.”

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

kornhole wrote: post #41

Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.

On the day Russia invaded, Defense contractor stocks rose significantly.

Until we can break the profit motive away from war production, you won't see these kinds of wars stopping.

Not to say there aren't other motivations for war, but policy makers, defense companies, and governmental orgs are fairly entwined.

One fun thing I used to find, if you followed an article about Xiajiang, and followed the citations far enough, the source citation was almost always a thinktank funded by these groups in abstract ways. It'd take a while to find again, but one example was a study by some pacific named thinktank, who's funding was from an Australian defense policy group. That group was in turn partially funded by the American DoD.

The corruption is circular. Soft power manipulates studies, which manipulates reporting, which manipulates public opinion, which then sways policy, which then supports the original orgs. It was so easy to turn "predicted cultural genocide(by including a group in a policy they were previously exempt from)" into "active genocide" when you're 8 citations deep.

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Post by kornhole »

comrh wrote: post #48
kornhole wrote: post #41

Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.

Many articles are not in support of the current war in Ukraine. A lot of ink has been spilled on what Russia is doing is wrong and should immediately end their war.

People of the US must support their leader to make war. Similarly people of Russia must support their leader for war. An American journal like the Intercept has near zero influence on people in Russia just as Komsomolskaya Pravda has near zero influence on us. If an outlet is promoting hate against another country rather than paths of diplomacy, it is promoting war.

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Post by tome »

kornhole wrote: post #41

Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.

> This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlet

Is The Intercept billionare-owned?

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Post by b215826 »

kornhole wrote: post #41

Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.

> support of the current war in Ukraine

The Intercept has mostly echoed current left-liberal talking points ever since Greenwald left, so you won't find many articles critical of the current war there. Anyway, since the OP is about Kissinger, it's interesting to note what he had to say about the current war [1]

> "After saying that Western countries should remember Russia’s importance to Europe and not get swept up “in the mood of the moment,” Kissinger also pushed for the West to force Ukraine into accepting negotiations with a “status quo ante,” which means the previous state of affairs.

> “Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante,” said Kissinger, 98, according to the Daily Telegraph. “Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself.”

[1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/24/henry-kissin...

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Post by b215826 »

tome wrote: post #54
kornhole wrote: post #41

Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.

> This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlet Is The Intercept billionare-owned?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Look_Media

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Post by int_19h »

kornhole wrote: post #41

Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.

The war in Ukraine is an imperial war, instigated by another empire. So if you consider imperial wars to be horrible, supporting their victims is a good way to make amends, no?

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Post by sillywalk »

Although I despise Kissinger, I'm not sure it's fair to put it all responsibility on him. There is more blame to go around.

Author is Nick Turse. I can recommend his 'Kill Anything That Moves' as a good book on the Vietnam War.

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Post by ragnot »

hummer_embark wrote: post #45
koolba wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watching what’s become of Ukraine and China must be keeping him going. Probably doesn’t even need a Viagra prescription anymore.

The Ukraine war is a negative for him. He wanted to use Russia against China. Like how he previously used China against the Soviet Union. He was the one advising Trump towards detente with Russia during the 2016 campaign. Unfortunately for him, others within the deep state made that policy impossible.

Got any more reading for that?
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