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Post by synergy20 »

onethought wrote: post #47
synergy20 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

which was reacting to China's Boxers killing foreigners esp religious people like wild fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance . After the invasion USA returned the "Boxer Protocol" money to create the best univ in China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tsinghua_University Not to mention US helped China to fight Japan, and build hospitals,etc. US never took an inch territory from China when…

China doesn't hate the US. Where did you see the hate? It also doesn't love Russia... I'm confused. Also the Korean War happened. American bullets chopping up thousands of Chinese... it happened.

read true history how Korea war started. and no, USA army did not enter China, they were surprised to be ambushed by Chinese soldiers there out from nowhere, then both started killing. china "volunteered" to start killing Americans first in Korea and USA never even entered china.

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Post by petre »

onethought wrote: post #47
synergy20 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

which was reacting to China's Boxers killing foreigners esp religious people like wild fire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-Nation_Alliance . After the invasion USA returned the "Boxer Protocol" money to create the best univ in China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tsinghua_University Not to mention US helped China to fight Japan, and build hospitals,etc. US never took an inch territory from China when…

China doesn't hate the US. Where did you see the hate? It also doesn't love Russia... I'm confused. Also the Korean War happened. American bullets chopping up thousands of Chinese... it happened.

McArthur also wanted to nuke Manchuria and poison the ground from the Sea of Japan to the Yellow Sea with radioactive cobalt to create a DMZ which the enemy could not cross. He was relieved by President Truman.

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/douglas-macarthur-atomic-b...

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Post by dirtyid »

hillcrestenigma wrote: post #5

All this feels like a rehash of the British Empire selling Opium to China in the 18th century. Only this time it's China supplying the United States along with other addictive digital platforms such as TikTok.

Except this is PRC being largely passive and watching fallout of American drug war failing. First opium war involved UK forcing, via military, Qing to stop domestic enforcement of ban on opium trade. Current Fenanyl "war" is PRC no longer actively cooperating with US on transnational drug war, which PRC did when relations were good - they scheduled fentanyl, a legal drug, on list of controlled narcotics in 2019 at US request. Now that relations are bad, there's no reason to commit state resources to enforce or support US antidrug efforts, especially for otherwise a legal medical product or precursor. Even less so when it's routed through third countries like Mexico - who to be fair asked PRC for help to get US off their backs, but why bother. Not saying PRC doesn't indirectly benefit, but at this point dead Americans is more side effect of allowing PRC triads to build network / influence in LATAM. Ultimately Americans will find some other supplier or substance to kill themselves with regardless and PRC inaction is cheap.

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

onethought wrote: post #38
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > Two wrongs do not make a right. > How is that different than karma? Because the United States is not, nor has ever been, a part of the British Empire. Karma[0]: the force generated by a person's actions held in Hinduism and Buddhism to perpetuate transmigration and in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person's next existence Even when extending the definition from "a person" to "a country",…

United States did partake in the Opium trade in China, even though they were well aware of the harm, and profited from the wars the British and French fought. Drawing a distinction that the US is completely seperate from the British Empire is pretty dishonest. If you mean the "state" sure, by definition, but it's culture, origin, people, primary (though not official) language all came from the British empire.

> United States did partake in the Opium trade in China, even though they were well aware of the harm, and profited from the wars the British and French fought.

True, there were US merchants which participated in supplying opium to China. Sometimes representing themselves, sometimes as proxies for British concerns. Also, an argument can be made that the East India Company operated under the influence, if not control, of the Crown. I do not believe the same argument could be made for US involvement, though I could be wrong.

However, unlike the British, the US in the Treaty of Wangxia agreed that any American involved in the opium trade would be prosecuted under Chinese law. Note that this does not absolve those involved in the opium trade prior or subsequent to this treaty for their actions.

> Drawing a distinction that the US is completely seperate from the British Empire is pretty dishonest.

No, it is not. It is a matter of historical fact[0]. Just because one nation can trace ancestry to another does not mean the newer one is answerable for the older one's actions. Are there commonalities between them? Of course.

But they are as distinct as a child is from their parents.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War

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Post by eschaton »

dfdg wrote: post #45
candiddevmike wrote: post #6

This is a phenomenal showcase for the utter failure of the war on drugs. Regulate it, tax it, ensure folks can safely use, and help them stop using when they're ready.

People who say tax it and regulate it have no idea about drugs. Most people are getting drug addictis bcz of painkillers which have been regulated and taxed.

And you think this refutes the argument how?

Obviously being illegal didn’t prevent addiction, and being legal also doesn’t prevent addiction. Perhaps when it comes to “drug addiction,” the part that actually needs to be addressed is “addiction.”

There are a variety of treatments with a variety of degrees of efficacy but they all involve mitigating harm and providing safe and supportive environments.

Too bad it scored political points with the ignorant to just demonize addicted people and the things to which they’re addicted, almost as if that was the actual reason for the “war” on drugs. (Hint: Look up Nixon & crew’s reasoning.)

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Post by AdieuToLogic »

dragonwriter wrote: post #57
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > Two wrongs do not make a right. > How is that different than karma? Because the United States is not, nor has ever been, a part of the British Empire. Karma[0]: the force generated by a person's actions held in Hinduism and Buddhism to perpetuate transmigration and in its ethical consequences to determine the nature of the person's next existence Even when extending the definition from "a person" to "a country",…

> the United States is not, nor has ever been, a part of the British Empire. The United States, shortly before calling itself the United Colonies, and shortly before that calling itself the Continental Association was formed as a group of colonies in British North America with common grievances against the government in London that it initially directed to the King within, and backed by an embargo against much of the…

> Which is to say that while it didn’t change its name to the United States until it had decided to exit the Empire ...

Hence my explicit use of United States, as it came to be after the colonies were no longer. Virtually all of the people who remained were previously British subjects, of course.

But designations before a nation exists are moot for those whom subsequently are a part of said nation.

Regarding the Opium Wars, I detailed in a peer comment my understanding of US involvement and responsibility. Even if one were to posit the US is equally responsible for supplying opium to China as the British Empire was, a position I disagree with, it would still fail to negate my original premise:

Two wrongs do not make a right.

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

Bran_son wrote: post #30
AdieuToLogic wrote: post #17

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> All this feels like a rehash of the British Empire selling Opium to China in the 18th century. Only this time it's China supplying the United States ... Two wrongs do not make a right.

Perhaps not, but by instilling guilt in your victim, you can prevent them from defending themselves, if you convince them they "deserve it". Keep an eye out for this tactic - it is very common.

To me it seems silly to put the blame on China here. The US drug policy and overall capability to care for its poor has been a disaster for decades, with the drug policy slowly changing for the better recently. It feels wrong to turn this into some kind of anti-China thing (plenty of other, better reasons certainly exist).

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Post by onethought »

synergy20 wrote: post #61
onethought wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China doesn't hate the US. Where did you see the hate? It also doesn't love Russia... I'm confused. Also the Korean War happened. American bullets chopping up thousands of Chinese... it happened.

read true history how Korea war started. and no, USA army did not enter China, they were surprised to be ambushed by Chinese soldiers there out from nowhere, then both started killing. china "volunteered" to start killing Americans first in Korea and USA never even entered china.

Why was the USA Army in Korea?

I didn't say who started it, nor is that really important, but there was the claim US had never done anything to China... it's not true.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #68
Bran_son wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps not, but by instilling guilt in your victim, you can prevent them from defending themselves, if you convince them they "deserve it". Keep an eye out for this tactic - it is very common.

To me it seems silly to put the blame on China here. The US drug policy and overall capability to care for its poor has been a disaster for decades, with the drug policy slowly changing for the better recently. It feels wrong to turn this into some kind of anti-China thing (plenty of other, better reasons certainly exist).

The current fentanyl epidemic is worse than the previous drug waves, I don’t see US drug policy getting more lenient, quite the opposite actually.
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