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Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by seattle_spring »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #36
LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would probably cost a lot more to evict Twitter and find a new commercial tenant than it does to compel them to pay rent. The reason this wouldn’t apply to you is that residential real estate vacancies are usually easy to fill, especially nowadays.

> The reason this wouldn’t apply to you That remains to be established. People often have no idea what renter protections are like. If he's in California, he might find that he can't be evicted without the landlord going through a multi-year process.

Take years, or even a year, is very much hyperbole, even for SF. Particularly when dealing with non-paying tenants. This may have been different during eviction moratoriums at the height of the pandemic.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by bcrosby95 »

Mistletoe wrote: post #51
cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

AI doesn’t mind working in the office and works 24/7, I’d tread lightly here if I was a knowledge worker. There are much worse things than being asked to come to the office to work. Like being told you aren’t needed at all ever again.

Companies aren't a charity. The minute knowledge workers can be replaced with AI they will be. Regardless of how much you obey your masters.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by ThorsBane »

Mistletoe wrote: post #51
cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

AI doesn’t mind working in the office and works 24/7, I’d tread lightly here if I was a knowledge worker. There are much worse things than being asked to come to the office to work. Like being told you aren’t needed at all ever again.

When that happens, it’s because AI is doing all labor. That point is the singularity.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by notho »

the_only_law wrote: post #24
908B64B197 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's hedging his bets by not paying rent for Twitter's offices.

Maybe someone can help me understand this. If I were to refuse to pay my rent. My landlord would post an eviction notice and if I refused to comply, I would likely be arrested or forcibly removed. Why can’t the landlord “evict” twitter? Does the process look significantly different for commercial real estate? Does twitter provide value to the landlord in some form other than rent? Maybe they’re afraid of bad PR?

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Post by VincentEvans »

Mistletoe wrote: post #51
cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

AI doesn’t mind working in the office and works 24/7, I’d tread lightly here if I was a knowledge worker. There are much worse things than being asked to come to the office to work. Like being told you aren’t needed at all ever again.

Silliness. Willingness to come to office, or wear a tie, or carry a briefcase - will have about as much effect on pushing back progress as puffing your cheeks out to blow away a hurricane.

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Post by seattle_spring »

postalrat wrote: post #54
cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

They can be as productive and efficient but choose not to.

What exactly is your claim?

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Post by 0fox »

Mistletoe wrote: post #51
cebert wrote: post #5

I’m so proud of these workers uniting and fighting back on RTO mandates. It has been proven that knowledge workers can work productively and efficiently without being required to be in the office a set number of days.

AI doesn’t mind working in the office and works 24/7, I’d tread lightly here if I was a knowledge worker. There are much worse things than being asked to come to the office to work. Like being told you aren’t needed at all ever again.

Your argument is that employers will eventually have the leverage to say, “come in to the office or else we’ll replace you with AI”.

If it becomes overwhelmingly obvious that AI is the more cost-effective employee, then it won’t come to that; employers will just replace their employees with AI. Office presence is completely unrelated.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Post by seattle_spring »

TexanFeller wrote: post #52

These protesters are just going to accelerate outsourcing. If companies can't get the benefits of in-office Americans and are forced into having a remote workforce they might as well get them for 1/4 of the price from Central and South America.

This has been a bogeyman for software engineers for multiple decades, all while salaries have increased considerably.

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Post by NegativeK »

lettergram wrote: post #38
neom wrote: post #13

I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

I have a farm and work remotely. I'm awake 18 hrs a day, spend 6 with my family & 12 working -- 8 for tech job, 4 for farm. I do this 6 days a week. I'm insanely productive by most metrics (many many launched products, side gigs, work 1.5 jobs, etc). I schedule my day down to 15 min increments (though obviously, adjustments are always made). Remote work affords me that opportunity and I work as hard as anyone. It's f…

I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that, morally, we should all be working like you do?

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Post by viraptor »

Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #6

As I said last time "Please remember to turn the servers off when you go on strike".

There's a line between a strike and sabotage. That idea is on the wrong side and either a reason to fire you or sue you. I hope nobody seriously considers it.
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