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Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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How do the Amazon warehouse workers feel about that? I could guess, but I don't know for sure.

I’m curious where you’re going with this

“If I cant have it neither should you.“ probably. I am not sure whom their thought leaders are but i have been seeing this more often in the recent months on reddit.

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Nobody felt entitled to WFH pre-2020. Not sure why a virus changes things

Likely two factors:

The pandemic demonstrated that WFH works.

The pandemic made people realize how bad America's world life balance is.

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I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Pure speculation, but my guess is that he’s invested in the commercial real estate market and hoping for a turnaround. I don’t think it’s some profound or insane ideology he has, I think he’s just trying to prop up CRE like he does with crypto. He’s famous for buying distressed commercial properties and for gaslighting, it just makes sense and the whole moral argument was a great way to get people talking about it.

He's hedging his bets by not paying rent for Twitter's offices.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pure speculation, but my guess is that he’s invested in the commercial real estate market and hoping for a turnaround. I don’t think it’s some profound or insane ideology he has, I think he’s just trying to prop up CRE like he does with crypto. He’s famous for buying distressed commercial properties and for gaslighting, it just makes sense and the whole moral argument was a great way to get people talking about it.

He's hedging his bets by not paying rent for Twitter's offices.

Maybe someone can help me understand this.

If I were to refuse to pay my rent. My landlord would post an eviction notice and if I refused to comply, I would likely be arrested or forcibly removed.

Why can’t the landlord “evict” twitter? Does the process look significantly different for commercial real estate? Does twitter provide value to the landlord in some form other than rent? Maybe they’re afraid of bad PR?

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I still think out of all the...unique... things Elon has said... work from home is morally wrong has to take the cake. I try to spend time looking at things as radically as I can. I think it's helpful to accept folks views as widely as possible, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around work from home being morally wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OHFt8QyiU I was on a bicycle ride listening to this intervie…

Elon's argument makes no sense on multiple levels:

1. Every job has different requirements, and you can't arbitrarily apply the same standards to every one. It's no different from saying that "Cooks have to de-grease the grill, so desk workers have to de-grease their desks at the end of the day as well." You'd think that someone so ruthlessly focused on productivity and efficiency would acknowledge this.

2. He speaks as if the current hierarchical capitalist structure with all its particular corporate idiosyncrasies is a fundamental aspect of reality rather than a very specific and arbitrary social construct. We should be fighting to move away from it rather than submit to it further.

3. He does not apply these standards to himself, flying around in his corporate jet and rarely "in the office" himself. So apparently he does believe some roles are not bound by the same rules and requirements, which is inconsistent.

Realistically he likely understands all this, but just can't say the truth directly because it's not so palatable.

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I didn’t see a description of the policy in the article. Did I miss it? It would be helpful context.

Short answer is 3 days a week in the office.

Long answer is effectively things will go back to how they were pre-pandemic. Except you now have to average 3 days a week in the office instead of the 5 that it was before. Some people can get exceptions, but it's basically going back to 2019 rules where the default is office.

The funny part for me is that if they had of announced these new rules in 2019, they would have been heralded as forward thinking employee first visionaries... but because it is a step back from the temporary COVID rules, it's all pitchforks and walkouts.

Re: Amazon corporate workers plan walkout next week over return-to-office policies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's hedging his bets by not paying rent for Twitter's offices.

Maybe someone can help me understand this. If I were to refuse to pay my rent. My landlord would post an eviction notice and if I refused to comply, I would likely be arrested or forcibly removed. Why can’t the landlord “evict” twitter? Does the process look significantly different for commercial real estate? Does twitter provide value to the landlord in some form other than rent? Maybe they’re afraid of bad PR?

It would probably cost a lot more to evict Twitter and find a new commercial tenant than it does to compel them to pay rent.

The reason this wouldn’t apply to you is that residential real estate vacancies are usually easy to fill, especially nowadays.

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How do the Amazon warehouse workers feel about that? I could guess, but I don't know for sure.

I’m curious where you’re going with this

I agree. “I’m imagining a scenario” is an interesting thing to post.
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