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Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more?

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Re: Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more?

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Post by chadlavi »

atchoo wrote: post #374
mym1990 wrote: post #5

A drug that promotes weight loss, lessens the desire to smoke, drink, etc...sounds too good to be true? From what I have heard, all of these issues come back as soon as someone comes off the drug. So either a person is committing to a lifetime of being dependent on this drug, or a person is committing to some period of time of ideal living, followed by a possible time of depression after reverting to the status quo.

What if the greatest harm is that the easy path of modifying our biology prevents us ever needing to gain the self-knowledge and build the fulfilling lives that lets us thrive in a world surrounded by potential addictions? I consider myself a much wiser and stronger person in recovery than I was before addiction. Who would I be if I took a magic pill and was still the person that sought oblivion? What will humanity b…

This feels like the same logic as "I had to pay off my student loans, so other people should have to suffer like that too." Suffering does not make you better later despite what millennia of Christian theology has told people about its supposed purgative effects. It seems pretty rad to me to be able to just not suffer through the bad part of getting over a major life problem, and I for one am happy that people will be able to skip that part and get on to the part where they live well.

Re: Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more?

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Post by [deleted] »

nwienert wrote: post #208
PostOnce wrote: post #203

Exercise is free and the side effects are you get stronger, more energetic, and better looking. Ozempic costs money and its side effects include cancer, kidney failure, and ruining your eyes. https://www.ozempic.com/faqs.html edit: many point out calorie intake is the real problem, it's true: buy a kitchen scale, weigh your food, count your calories, and you will lose weight. Exercise is optional compared to that. St…

Exercise has many side effects too, including a risk of injury. Meanwhile GLP-1 protects and even improves the function of brain, lungs, heart, muscles, bones, and kidneys, it improves sleep quality and reduces sleep duration, it definitely decreases addictive behavior, and even seems to help with some immune issues (anecdotally, but the effect is so strong it’s remarkable). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucagon-l…

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Re: Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more?

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Post by pton_xd »

shadowpho wrote: post #283
PostOnce wrote: post #203

Exercise is free and the side effects are you get stronger, more energetic, and better looking. Ozempic costs money and its side effects include cancer, kidney failure, and ruining your eyes. https://www.ozempic.com/faqs.html edit: many point out calorie intake is the real problem, it's true: buy a kitchen scale, weigh your food, count your calories, and you will lose weight. Exercise is optional compared to that. St…

>Exercise is free and the side effects are you get stronger, more energetic, and better looking. And that works for what, 3% of the people that try it?

> And that works for what, 3% of the people that try it?

Exercise is medicine!

Far too few people understand that unfortunately. Something is wrong with our culture when the majority have the attitude that exercise isn't worth doing.

Re: Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more?

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

mym1990 wrote: post #5

A drug that promotes weight loss, lessens the desire to smoke, drink, etc...sounds too good to be true? From what I have heard, all of these issues come back as soon as someone comes off the drug. So either a person is committing to a lifetime of being dependent on this drug, or a person is committing to some period of time of ideal living, followed by a possible time of depression after reverting to the status quo.

Could be worse. Omeprazole not only stops working after you get off it, your issues actually become much more severe. Once you're on it, you are unlikely to ever be able to get off of it.

Re: Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more?

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

0zemp2c wrote: post #177
iwanttocomment wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really a dangerous dependency ? There's been no evidence of anything happening once individuals go off of semaglutide or tirzepatide other than the tendency of gaining weight to the original levels and/or blood sugar readings returning to the pre-medication levels. This is the most common outcome anyone has trying literally any calorie-reducing diet, medication or not. There's no evidence that people are ending…

How dangerous is it to have a new $1k/month bill you need to pay forever? So far there is no indication insurance companies are going to pay for 100 million Americans going on Ozempic who aren't diabetic... Anecdotally, another danger is people confusing less eating with a healthy diet. I know someone on Ozempic...eats less but what is eaten is the same old junk...

> Anecdotally, another danger is people confusing less eating with a healthy diet. I know someone on Ozempic...eats less but what is eaten is the same old junk...

There is anecdotal evidence that eating less is, in itself, so much more healthy that it doesn't really matter what you eat. Nutrition professor Mark Haub ate nothing but "convenience store food" for 10 weeks at a caloric deficit and all of his health metrics improved while he lost 27lbs.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/...

Re: Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more?

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Post by gerbilly »

thegreenswede wrote: post #379
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #365

I was always of the opinion that being fat was a moral failing. Trying the drug really changed that. Normies have it so easy. They take one bite and feel full. My brain would scream at me continuously to try and make me eat and would never be satisfied.

"they take one bite and feel full"- I strongly disagree with this as the reason some people are just lean. As someone who's bounced around weight a lot and also had long periods where I had to basically control it (wrestling in college), the main difference I've seen with people who are in shape and people are overeat is that the former group understands that it's 'ok' to not feel full all the time. As in like learni…

When I'm on vacation my stress is reduced to the point where my 'appetite' drops, and this is despite the fact that I'm increasing my exercise load enormously (surfing, hiking, etc...)

I've noticed that stress causes me mild stomach pain, which can register as hunger. It also causes dry mouth which registers as thirst. If you're satisfying that thirst with sugary drinks long term, then you're going to be in trouble.

There is also so much novelty and more interesting stuff going on while on vacation that I don't find myself poking through the fridge out of boredom.

Re: Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more?

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

0cVlTeIATBs wrote: post #260
pasquinelli wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how could you separate actually will power from the illusion of will power?

You know the conversation has strayed once you start debating epistemology.

This is the opposite of straying it’s actually a real conversation

Re: Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more?

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Post by atchoo »

chadlavi wrote: post #381
atchoo wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the greatest harm is that the easy path of modifying our biology prevents us ever needing to gain the self-knowledge and build the fulfilling lives that lets us thrive in a world surrounded by potential addictions? I consider myself a much wiser and stronger person in recovery than I was before addiction. Who would I be if I took a magic pill and was still the person that sought oblivion? What will humanity b…

This feels like the same logic as "I had to pay off my student loans, so other people should have to suffer like that too." Suffering does not make you better later despite what millennia of Christian theology has told people about its supposed purgative effects. It seems pretty rad to me to be able to just not suffer through the bad part of getting over a major life problem, and I for one am happy that people will b…

This is not an argument that suffering is valuable, it's that drug-seeking behaviours are a symptom of poor psychology / life-fulfilment.

The fear is that by removing symptoms, we no longer find it important to address the root cause. The symptoms should be treated as a warning signal. It sounds dystopian to make poor psychology and poor life-fulfilment a consequence free norm.

Re: Ozempic drug supresses desire to smoke, drink and more?

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Post by Eumenes »

tremere wrote: post #252

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Pharma is big money. This drug can cost 800-1400/month. Average American can't even run a mile. Patients dont want to hear how they need to eat less or exercise. Doctors have long queues of people to get through. Easier to prescribe the pill and move on vs address lifestyle choice.
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