Will she still be wealthy?
wealthy family, wealthy network - answer: yes
Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill
#9210 years used to feel like a really long time to me. Now that I have two young kids the idea of missing out on 10 years of their life growing up is in the impossible to handle part of my brain. I feel bad for everyone effected and yes even her.
Do not feel bad for her. Do not even give her a single thought.
She's still a person. I agree with the weight of the sentencing and the amount she received and that she should never be allowed to be a director of a company again, but there's got to still be a small evolutionary part that empathises with anyone looking down the barrel of consequences of this magnitude.
Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have the capacity to feel really bad for her kids. I couldn't care less about the rich investors money she squandered, but as a mother I'm spitting furious that she would bring two children into this world, knowing that she was guilty for the fraud that she stood accused of. She's begged the courts for leniency on behalf of her children, and I really want to believe that she didn't have children for that sole purpo…
If I were being uncharitable, I'd say she had the kids to try and avoid going to jail. If she were a psychopath it's the sort of thing she might pull. On the other hand it may have been the only opportunity to have kids if she knew she was going to go inside for a while, so she maximised her opportunity.
Doing whatever she wants out of self interest, and damn the consequences to those to who she's responsible for? Story checks out, but that's not much more generous.
Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill
#9410 years used to feel like a really long time to me. Now that I have two young kids the idea of missing out on 10 years of their life growing up is in the impossible to handle part of my brain. I feel bad for everyone effected and yes even her.
I have the capacity to feel really bad for her kids. I couldn't care less about the rich investors money she squandered, but as a mother I'm spitting furious that she would bring two children into this world, knowing that she was guilty for the fraud that she stood accused of. She's begged the courts for leniency on behalf of her children, and I really want to believe that she didn't have children for that sole purpo…
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Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill
#95Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
If I were being uncharitable, I'd say she had the kids to try and avoid going to jail. If she were a psychopath it's the sort of thing she might pull. On the other hand it may have been the only opportunity to have kids if she knew she was going to go inside for a while, so she maximised her opportunity.
Doing whatever she wants out of self interest, and damn the consequences to those to who she's responsible for? Story checks out, but that's not much more generous.
It looks like straightforward cost externalization: she achieved reproduction, the consequences of growing up without a mother are her children's problem, and the burden of raising them is distributed among other family members.
By the way, is Elizabeth Holmes married? Whose children are they?
Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you commit all your fraud via Starlink, could you make the argument that you didn't do it over wire?
The court will argue that even your so-called wireless device has wires inside it.
I thought the term "wire fraud" meant "wire" in the sense of "telegraph". That is, it's fraud relying on telecommunications, which could include landline telephone, satellite, microwave, radio or internet. Have I got that wrong?
Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill
#98Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill
#99It is not a real prison. She will probably go to Bryan Minimum Security [1][2]. No fences. Dormitories. Visitations. Gym, etc. The fine is large, but symbolic. From the article, chance of full recovery is very low. No mention, if this would be converted to house arrest at some point. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Holmes
interesting that it sounds like a bad thing that the prison is minimum security. As a Dane the American prison system baffles me. it obviously doesn't work and has commercial interests to the entire countrys detriment. yet I still feel this schadenfreude and the sentiment that sentences should be rougher and longer. where does this societal incongruence come from?
Because people have gotten life sentences for petty crimes like stealing a pair of socks. You have to compare Holmes’ case with how other people get crushed by the criminal justice system, and then you can’t help but notice the double standard.
https://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/25/a_life_sentence_for_...
Re: Elizabeth Holmes is going to prison – with a $500M bill
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doing whatever she wants out of self interest, and damn the consequences to those to who she's responsible for? Story checks out, but that's not much more generous.
It looks like straightforward cost externalization: she achieved reproduction, the consequences of growing up without a mother are her children's problem, and the burden of raising them is distributed among other family members. By the way, is Elizabeth Holmes married? Whose children are they?
Another rich heir. They mostly reproduce with each other and with top sport/entertainment people, but her reputation made that only the first category is available to her.